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Le Schyken
08.02.2018
13:32:11
Oh, wait, that's GNOME.

Lol, I like how they closed it with the reason of the connection between brightness and battery not being direct enough. Ironic for GNOME :sigh:

That would have been great to bring to the table

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Kohane
08.02.2018
13:36:44
Oh, this is Gnome? I don’t care then, I don’t use it.

Daniel Andrei
08.02.2018
13:37:14
Le Schyken
08.02.2018
13:37:28
Oh, this is Gnome? I don’t care then, I don’t use it.
More or less the same for me at this point

Kohane
08.02.2018
13:38:23
More or less the same for me at this point
Cinnamon has more options, I think.

Cinnamon?
Me? No. KDE and XFCE.

Sevak
08.02.2018
13:39:02
HI there

Le Schyken
08.02.2018
13:39:06
Cinnamon has more options, I think.
It does, yes. I use KDE though. I'm waiting for Cinnamon to go Wayland with support for high refresh rate.

Daniel Andrei
08.02.2018
13:39:08
Ahhh, oke, I thought you were on LXDE

Sevak
08.02.2018
13:39:31
how I can change colors of a folder in fedora 27?

Kohane
08.02.2018
13:39:47
Ahhh, oke, I thought you were on LXDE
No, that’s way too bare.

Daniel Andrei
08.02.2018
13:40:33
true, but it's faster :D

Kohane
08.02.2018
13:40:38
Le Schyken
08.02.2018
13:40:49
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Kohane
08.02.2018
13:41:22
true, but it's faster :D
I’m not in a hurry. And both work smoothly. That’s enough for me.

It's quite well now, in 5.12
I’ll give it a try...

Daniel Andrei
08.02.2018
13:42:47
I’m not in a hurry. And both work smoothly. That’s enough for me.
my wife's used to Windows 7 and when she opens Opera, you can actually drink your coffee and it finished loading the start page, that's not being in a hurry lol

Daniel Andrei
08.02.2018
13:43:45
hahaha true

when she's browsing from my laptop she's amazed how on earth this works so fast

I've struggled for 2 years to convince her to join the Linux side, it's just hard...

Tobias?
08.02.2018
13:45:33
And add more ram

works 99% of the time

Daniel Andrei
08.02.2018
13:46:21
Slap a good ol ssd into it
not worth investing, it's just an old Acer

even if I'd replace some basic hardware, the motherboard or something else would fail eventually lol

Tobias?
08.02.2018
13:50:13
not worth investing, it's just an old Acer
You could've just said Acer. xD

Daniel Andrei
08.02.2018
13:50:30
Haha true, I should've mention that in the first place

Sorcerer Supreme
08.02.2018
14:10:38
I've struggled for 2 years to convince her to join the Linux side, it's just hard...
guess what .. in my class majority of people think that there exists only windows and mac ... when asked how servers run they said they run on different program ??????????

Sorcerer Supreme
08.02.2018
14:11:50
Daniel Andrei
08.02.2018
14:12:09
lol, no ty

Sorcerer Supreme
08.02.2018
14:12:35
i usually have trouble seeking for help in linux because majority is not even aware about its existence - - "

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Sorcerer Supreme
08.02.2018
14:13:12
teachers here know very , very basic things on linux .. mostly theoratical

diffract
08.02.2018
14:30:15
What is this linux u speak of

Kohane
08.02.2018
14:39:13
I've struggled for 2 years to convince her to join the Linux side, it's just hard...
Weird. I only needed five minutes. Time enough for starting the system and using it.

Sheogorath
08.02.2018
14:40:07
What is this linux u speak of
"Linux is for communists!"

Kohane
08.02.2018
14:40:08
What is this linux u speak of
Uh? Fedora you mean?

Tobias?
08.02.2018
14:40:14
Eduard
08.02.2018
14:40:44
I just migrate a cousin by saying: Your Intel Centrino doesn't support any "modern" windows

Tobias?
08.02.2018
14:40:53
Double ironic for @bing

247
08.02.2018
14:42:38
I migrated a friend sick of the windows slowness and he was very happy with fedora

Until he bought an iphone...

Anxhelo
08.02.2018
14:44:03
But guess whats even faster - Chromium 64. ?
is it up on the Fedora repos? mine is still on 63

Sid
08.02.2018
14:57:18
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/02/john-perry-barlow-internet-pioneer-1947-2018

Daniel Andrei
08.02.2018
14:59:36
Weird. I only needed five minutes. Time enough for starting the system and using it.
well, you were curious and had the courage to make the switch.

Sid
08.02.2018
15:01:09
247
08.02.2018
15:04:44
well, you were curious and had the courage to make the switch.
People are not generally inclined to try something different

And that's a shame

Daniel Andrei
08.02.2018
15:06:05
People are not generally inclined to try something different
I know! When Telegram appeared I barely managed to convince some of my friends to hop in... they kept blewing me off by asking "what's that different from WhatsApp"

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Sheogorath
08.02.2018
15:06:35
It's from a privacy perspective not really better than WhatsApp. Just different

Daniel Andrei
08.02.2018
15:07:38
It's from a privacy perspective not really better than WhatsApp. Just different
yeah, it's still in the cloud. Only thing that's secure about it is the secret chats

Sheogorath
08.02.2018
15:08:37
yeah, it's still in the cloud. Only thing that's secure about it is the secret chats
They are actually also not perfect. From the metadata they are similar to WhatsApp but WA actually uses the same encryption as Signal which is proofen to be secure

247
08.02.2018
15:08:52
Yes, this is more a matter of trust, but anyway whatsapp claim to have full encryption and then asks you to do backups on google drive...

Daniel Andrei
08.02.2018
15:09:46
They are actually also not perfect. From the metadata they are similar to WhatsApp but WA actually uses the same encryption as Signal which is proofen to be secure
How about MTProto, is it applied only on secret chats or on all? From what I know from Cryptography classes "never push your own crypto"

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Sheogorath
08.02.2018
15:10:18
Yes, this is more a matter of trust, but anyway whatsapp claim to have full encryption and then asks you to do backups on google drive...
Well, they have, but as always with end2end encryption. You can export stuff as plaintext once it's decrypted and that's what they do. Signal also provdes a plaintext export (but only to the local phone storage)

247
08.02.2018
15:11:23
And for telegram, generally people ask me what it is and the differences with whatsapp, but if i say is more private they say they don't care about privacy, they are not serial killers or terrorist so they don't need all that privacy

Sheogorath
08.02.2018
15:11:26
How about MTProto, is it applied only on secret chats or on all? From what I know from Cryptography classes "never push your own crypto"
Many people say, not very well designed. WA uses the Signal/TextSecure-based crypto which is really good. By all critics about MTProto, I don't know anyone who broke it, but that doesn't mean it's good

And for telegram, generally people ask me what it is and the differences with whatsapp, but if i say is more private they say they don't care about privacy, they are not serial killers or terrorist so they don't need all that privacy
The only reason to use telegram is its feature-richness. big channels like this one, the ability of bots, etc. They provide a lot of features in one application. Maybe comparable to WeChat.

247
08.02.2018
15:13:27
Well to me the biggest reason is it is really cross device

I mean

Sheogorath
08.02.2018
15:13:42
247
08.02.2018
15:13:47
I'm on sailfish os and i can use telegram

Installed haiku the other day and there is telegram desktop

This while wa continue on it's mission to support only android and ios

Eduard
08.02.2018
15:15:21
Sheogorath
08.02.2018
15:15:40
This is the real deal!
For people who use exotic OSes

Keep in mind most people use Windows and Android :/

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247
08.02.2018
15:16:17
Well that too obviously, so to me it's a +1 for telegram

Eduard
08.02.2018
15:16:40
Well, I use linux and android, but I can have my telegram chats in my phone, my tablet, my laptop, and any browser

247
08.02.2018
15:16:52
Exactly

Sheogorath
08.02.2018
15:17:24
247
08.02.2018
15:17:25
I was surprised when i saw there is telegram desktop even for haiku os...

Eduard
08.02.2018
15:17:26
If my concentration is in the phone, I use telegram for android, if it's in the PC, telegram Desktop for Linux or even Telegram CLO

Sheogorath
08.02.2018
15:17:46
I recently started to tell people to use Riot and Signal or Wire instead

Eduard
08.02.2018
15:17:48
When you not use the secure chat feature of course
I use it almost exclusively for groups and channels

Sheogorath
08.02.2018
15:27:23
I recently started to tell people to use Riot and Signal or Wire instead
As addition: https://g0v.social/web/statuses/99477859243853178

nice, they brigged the mastodon instance again :D

Eduard
08.02.2018
15:30:01
https://www.susanka.eu/files/telegram-article.pdf

Max
08.02.2018
16:04:12
Nope, but if you have one, try it and tell us about problems, when you run into them :)
Well. It works not bad. But there are some issues. On reboot and shutdown laptop oing to be stucked. And the second monitor with hdmi doesn works :/

Sheogorath
08.02.2018
16:05:19
Max
08.02.2018
16:05:35
I tried to install bumblebee nvidia, but got not bootable system. So switched back to free drivers.

Sheogorath
08.02.2018
16:33:29
I tried to install bumblebee nvidia, but got not bootable system. So switched back to free drivers.
iirc, if you want to try the nvidia drivers, you can use them from rpmfusion

Max
08.02.2018
16:34:17
iirc, if you want to try the nvidia drivers, you can use them from rpmfusion
I used this one: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bumblebee . With negativo17 repo. But doesn't works for me :/

@SISheogorath Do you think that i should try to use drivers from fusion instead of negativo?

Sheogorath
08.02.2018
16:52:34
@SISheogorath Do you think that i should try to use drivers from fusion instead of negativo?
That's actually a good question. I don't use any of there and can't really give an answer .-. I simply avoid nvidia, but that's of course no solution for you

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