Well, all of them were acceptable and evolved

It's okay to use that sorts of GUI, that allows you to launch all programs, and they were neutral BTW

Today are new techniques, new ways of thinking, improved Design, better programming languages

But Bob was about only programs BOB supports, most of them were unusable

If it were created today, probably it will be better than it was in its time

That's why it didnt evolved

And if we compare BOB to standart Win 3.1 GUI or first Linux GUI's or CDE...

Bob was unacceptable

and costs $100

As I saw it, it was an intent to change the windows-type environment

It was a mistake, of course

But it was a good try

Right now, there are no intents to go over windowed environments

All DEs, including proprietary OSs, still uses window

Even shell environments, like Gnome

I heard about IBM GUI that didn't use windowed style but it was good...need to find some info

Their approach (Microsofts approach) were through balloons... Really aweful, but they try something different, they can afford that kind of experiments

Well, experiments are good, but it doesn't mean Bob is not the worst GUI in history

I mean, sometimes people are thinking that KDE/XFCE/GNOME/Windows interface is really bad, because they don't see how really bad GUI can be.

Well, is like a DE based in Clippy

And Clippy was quite famous

And Comic Sans...

IMHO they think they're bad or ugly because they are brainwashed with the Apple brand

I really don't like the MacOS DE

But people are like mentally-wired to think that if Apple do it, then it's good or beautiful

Never use that, all macs I saw were on Windows or Linux

So which is, in your opinion, a good/beautiful DE?

XFCE is my favorite, but I can understand why peoplre use, for example, GNOME or Unity, or KDE...

XFCE is my favorite, but I can understand why peoplre use, for example, GNOME or Unity, or KDE...

Because Gnome and KDE are very customizable and things just work

Yup

XFCE is my favorite, but I can understand why peoplre use, for example, GNOME or Unity, or KDE...

Well, in people favorites, nobody have the last word. I use Cinnamon because for me, works really good, improving my productivity

XFCE isn't too bad, but you will never get it looking as nice

Or with as much ease

Including some extensions that I found useful

I know one man who is using old GNOME because he likes it

Not Classic/flashback, really, old gnome

he is using some old Mint because he needs old GNOME to work

he is using some old Mint because he needs old GNOME to work

Why not simply centos? :D

Why not simply centos? :D

He hates RedHat/Fedora and all that

He hates RedHat/Fedora and all that

Some people like it complicated ^^

Some people like it complicated ^^

Nope, he was a system administrator of Fedora...At the times when Fedora was not so good

He hates RedHat/Fedora and all that

He'd rather use EOL-ed stuff? Okay?!

So, even now he has some anti-fedora habits

He'd rather use EOL-ed stuff? Okay?!

Yes

My ex-IT teacher

So, even now he has some anti-fedora habits

If he's anti red hat, he shouldn't use GNOME, pulseaudio, systemd, heck even the Linux kernel...

If he's anti red hat, he shouldn't use GNOME, pulseaudio, systemd, heck even the Linux kernel...

Not so radical)

Fedora is one of Torvalds' preferred distros, enough said ?

Fedora is one of Torvalds' preferred distros, enough said ?

Exactly!

So, he hates Python too

He says, python is the enemy of discipline in coding

Very conservative man, but good teacher

He says, python is the enemy of discipline in coding

He doesn't know about what he is talking about

Maybe is not the best language

But for teaching is really good

As Instructor of introduction to Algorithms that I was before, it's easier to teach people to FUCKIN INDENT CODE!!!!!!!!!!

He means, languages he use is about strictly declaring variables at the begining, and things like that

But for teaching is really good

Some teachers sometimes prefer to start with the hardest subjects to help students master that faster...

Sorry for my french

Some teachers sometimes prefer to start with the hardest subjects to help students master that faster...

Well, It's not crazy to think that way

If someone can code in brainfuck can code in anything

But I never saw a COBOList or Assembler guy masteing C++ or any other language

He was teaching Borland Delphi before, now the laws made him teach PascalABC(Russian govt sponsored pascal language)

Pascal is a great first language too. It was my first

But it's kind of old

And the problem is not the old

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Well, It's not crazy to think that way

Yeah, my college profs often do that...

It's that is not used anywhere anymore

Now if you are working as IT teacher in Russia you should select lang you will teach from Python, C/C++, PascalABC, Kumir(it's like 1C - crappy and cyrillic), or just algorithmic pseudolanguage

I always thought that is better to teach data structures, algorithms, logic, some fundamental maths before start in programming

But I never teach properly, I was teacher assistance, if that makes sense

Now if you are working as IT teacher in Russia you should select lang you will teach from Python, C/C++, PascalABC, Kumir(it's like 1C - crappy and cyrillic), or just algorithmic pseudolanguage

And that was better than 5 years ago, when Logo was still a choice for some teachers

If you can solve a 4th level Integral, you can solve any programming problem, no?

If you can solve a 4th level Integral, you can solve any programming problem, no?

It's a problem that teaching people math is too long to do it before IT

Maybe, that's why you should start young

Maybe, that's why you should start young

I lost my time now

Well, you can alway teach yourself

Now I need to re-pass exams for this year to get into some crappy university and avoid drafting

Well, in my college, they teach Calculus I before anything, in the first period, with logic maths. In the 2nd period they teach Calculus II with algorithms, and in the 3rd period, they teach Calculus III with programming I

In my opinion is a good program, but I should wait one more period to teach programming, I would tech Data Structures first

Most problems in college programming is that people can't create strong/right data structures to their programs

And then you start to see crazy local and global variables that doesn't make any sense

Our Universites is a bit messed up, Programming goes parallel to math stuff

Math is the most important thing in the world

And then you start to see crazy local and global variables that doesn't make any sense

Well, that's his opinion

hi..

I am new in fedora and i want to install brackets . how can i ?

help me ☹️

I am new in fedora and i want to install brackets . how can i ?

$ sudo yum install yum-plugin-copr $ sudo yum copr enable mosquito/brackets $ sudo yum update $ sudo yum install brackets

$ sudo yum install yum-plugin-copr $ sudo yum copr enable mosquito/brackets $ sudo yum update $ sudo yum install brackets

I try it /: dont wark

I try it /: dont wark

try atom , more quickly , more faster sudo dnf install ./atom.x86_64.rpm

try atom , more quickly , more faster sudo dnf install ./atom.x86_64.rpm

Atom ever being quicK? That's damn news to me.

try atom , more quickly , more faster sudo dnf install ./atom.x86_64.rpm

I have it ?

Atom ever being quicK? That's damn news to me.

it's just simple editor bro :/

it's just simple editor bro :/

That fails at pretty much everything it tries, imo

A simple editor shouldn't lag

I have it ?

._. do you want to make party of editors ?

._. do you want to make party of editors ?

? Maybe