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Daniel

25.01.2018
17:28:25

If not, pay for Red Hat and its support, but you will have to document the bug anyway

Tobias?

25.01.2018
17:28:53

But with "nautilus crashes on file move" and "selinux alerts on dnsmasq" you tell us you are: 1) doing very funky stuff you should report in bugzilla 2) likely using something which you shouldnt, because fedora likes you to use the inbuilt tools. Support for custom configurations not created this way are unlikely to be reported.

Vafa

25.01.2018
17:28:55

This is not a place for complain. It is for sharing experiences and doubts. If you have a bug and you are using FOSS, instead of conplain and do nothing, you should document it and file a bug in bugzilla

Yes you right this place is just for praise of fedora.

Daniel

25.01.2018
17:29:17

Or, you can go for windows. I dont have any problems with windows, but say that it doesnt have bugs... Pretty hardcore stuff...

Google

Tobias?

25.01.2018
17:29:22

And the only way that nm doesnt have access to resolv is if someone tried to edit it by hand or automated doing so.

Yes you right this place is just for praise of fedora.

Far from it.

You just encountered a very unlikely bug and for the other we simply need more details.

Barrel

25.01.2018
17:29:50

SELinux is so incredibly easy to understand I'm curious as to what your problem is.

Tobias?

25.01.2018
17:30:10

Ontop of all that selinux alerts are reported in a gui tool with one-click solutions pre-offered.

So .... just complaining, without data, doesnt help.

Daniel

25.01.2018
17:30:32

Yes you right this place is just for praise of fedora.

Did you read my previous comment? Im talking about a problem I currently have, thst maybe its my fault, and someone had it before

Barrel

25.01.2018
17:30:33

Ontop of all that selinux alerts are reported in a gui tool with one-click solutions pre-offered.

And even the CLI Logging is brilliant

Tobias?

25.01.2018
17:30:45

Now if you add what you tried to do we might be able to help or direct you to the solution.

Kohane

25.01.2018
17:31:45

Making fun of me, making you a better person? That's how you face users complaint?

Nope, it doesn't. But I don't mean to earn the Nobel Prize to Best Person, so deal with it.

Vafa

25.01.2018
17:32:41

Or, you can go for windows. I dont have any problems with windows, but say that it doesnt have bugs... Pretty hardcore stuff...

I don't say Windows is ideal. But at least it work without going deep into it. How many user in windows or Mac aware of a service who secure filesystem? Like selinux.

Kohane

25.01.2018
17:32:51

This is not a place for complain. It is for sharing experiences and doubts. If you have a bug and you are using FOSS, instead of conplain and do nothing, you should document it and file a bug in bugzilla

He said he didn't want to find a solution.

Daniel

25.01.2018
17:32:59

If you really think we're here to praise fedora, and you dont like it, you are on your right. But you are on your right to find a group thst fits better to you

Google

Daniel

25.01.2018
17:33:20

He said he didn't want to find a solution.

Then, why complain and cry? :-/

Barrel

25.01.2018
17:33:41

I don't say Windows is ideal. But at least it work without going deep into it. How many user in windows or Mac aware of a service who secure filesystem? Like selinux.

It works and has many flaws, also known as not working

Vafa

25.01.2018
17:34:41

Let's stop here. In a mean time I'm gonna list the bug's for you here to let you know what exactly I'm in.

Tobias?

25.01.2018
17:35:05

I don't say Windows is ideal. But at least it work without going deep into it. How many user in windows or Mac aware of a service who secure filesystem? Like selinux.

Selinux = Windows defender in good And the "digging deep" part has been done in windows/mac usually already.

Its just a different way of working than windows, the initial process is the same but you forgot the initial process on windows because you have gotten used to it.

Plus, Fedora does extensive notifications on selinux and has a how to use me guide on the first boot that extensively tells you about your system.

Vafa

25.01.2018
17:36:42

Linux is not a low maintenance OS. This is what I'm talking about.

Kohane

25.01.2018
17:36:45

I am a user. Someone who use Linux as a tool. Unfortunately this tool need a lot of maintenance. That's problem of tool maker not user until user start abusing the tool.

Complaining is completely useless. Now if you want to find a solution you're very welcome to come and (politely) ask all your questions and we'll be happy to help you. But if you just jump in, whining about how horrible is everything and immediately after state that you don't want to find a solution there's nothing we can do. What's the point of telling us this if you don't want to solve the problem?

Barrel

25.01.2018
17:37:08

Linux is not a low maintenance OS. This is what I'm talking about.

It's low maintenance when you set things up properly, I don't ever need to touch my RHEL Installs post-setup

Tobias?

25.01.2018
17:37:22

Linux is not a low maintenance OS. This is what I'm talking about.

It is.

Kohane

25.01.2018
17:37:39

Then, why complain and cry? :-/

Because he loves stressing other human beings...?

Tobias?

25.01.2018
17:37:53

The maintenance effort after setting it up, like you'd do on a fresh windows install and which you can enitrely do with GUI tools, is down to zero.

Even updates will be downloaded in the background for you and you just need to click install, at a time of your own choice.

Daniel

25.01.2018
17:38:17

Only talking about ntfs... Broken major updates...Low maintenance...

Vafa

25.01.2018
17:38:37

It's low maintenance when you set things up properly, I don't ever need to touch my RHEL Installs post-setup

Do you set your dns server everytime you boot you system manualy?

Barrel

25.01.2018
17:38:43

Do you set your dns server everytime you boot you system manualy?

No

Why would I do that?

Tobias?

25.01.2018
17:38:54

Do you set your dns server everytime you boot you system manualy?

Again, the selinux warning is weird but without more data we cant tell you what went wrong. What did you do, that could've caused the issue.

Daniel

25.01.2018
17:39:20

I didnt saw SElinux on Fedora 27 still

Tobias?

25.01.2018
17:39:21

Have you manually edited the file, for what reason, and why arent you letting network-manager handle it?

Google

Kohane

25.01.2018
17:39:24

Let's stop here. In a mean time I'm gonna list the bug's for you here to let you know what exactly I'm in.

Yeah, but listing bugs for the sake of it, is pointless. If you're going to tell us what's wrong, then we're entitled to tell you how to solve it. Otherwise, is just a waste o'time

Tobias?

25.01.2018
17:39:55

Have you manually edited the file, for what reason, and why arent you letting network-manager handle it?

You can complain, without hard data or proof what you did we cant help you.

Barrel

25.01.2018
17:39:58

Yeah, but listing bugs for the sake of it, is pointless. If you're going to tell us what's wrong, then we're entitled to tell you how to solve it. Otherwise, is just a waste o'time

I wouldn't say entitled... more that it's in our best interest

Vafa

25.01.2018
17:40:08

I understand you guys spend your time on this and you proud of it but it not mean that I don't have right to speak about it.

Kohane

25.01.2018
17:40:19

I didnt saw SElinux on Fedora 27 still

You didn't see it because no warnings showed up or because you have it disabled it?

Daniel

25.01.2018
17:40:31

No warnings seen

It is enabled

Tobias?

25.01.2018
17:40:37

I understand you guys spend your time on this and you proud of it but it not mean that I don't have right to speak about it.

Vafa i have my resolv.conf working automagically, trough network-manager, despite several vpns and local network changes.

Barrel

25.01.2018
17:40:50

I understand you guys spend your time on this and you proud of it but it not mean that I don't have right to speak about it.

I mean, when you're using user-incompetence as a reason despite being given incredibly simple to understand instructions by SELinux

Tobias?

25.01.2018
17:40:59

What did you, yes you, do so that nm throws this error.

Daniel

25.01.2018
17:41:06

Its true that some versions ago it was too molesting

But like it was UAC on Vista

Barrel

25.01.2018
17:41:24

Its true that some versions ago it was too molesting

Oh yes, SELinux used to be a mess with litle documentation

Tobias?

25.01.2018
17:41:28

I mean, when you're using user-incompetence as a reason despite being given incredibly simple to understand instructions by SELinux

This warning shouldnt come up in the first place.

And seeing as he doesnt react to any comment of mine almost implies he knows he modified something he shouldnt.

Barrel

25.01.2018
17:41:59

And seeing as he doesnt react to any comment of mine almost implies he knows he modified something he shouldnt.

Yeah, that's a fun topic

Tobias?

25.01.2018
17:41:59

Like editing it despite the warning in the file not to.

Barrel

25.01.2018
17:42:22

My favourite thing is watching people change the SELinux rule file, then complain when their rule doesn't stay on reboot

Kohane

25.01.2018
17:42:25

I wouldn't say entitled... more that it's in our best interest

My point is... if someone comes and says "my bike is broken" but when I'm about to say how to fix it, that person walks away, the whole thing is stupid. Or he pays attention to whatever we have to say, or just go use Windows and bother someone else with your complaints.

Vafa

25.01.2018
17:43:07

I mean, when you're using user-incompetence as a reason despite being given incredibly simple to understand instructions by SELinux

Consumer does not need to know who electric motor on Food mixer works.

Google

Tobias?

25.01.2018
17:43:23

Consumer does not need to know who electric motor on Food mixer works.

They need to know which button to press.

And to not stick their hand inside.

Barrel

25.01.2018
17:43:49

Consumer does not need to know who electric motor on Food mixer works.

The user does however need to follow the instructions to use their food mixer.

Run the command it gave you

Tobias?

25.01.2018
17:44:28

Why did you install connman?

Fedora doesnt use it by default nor recommends it.

Kohane

25.01.2018
17:44:42

The Linux community eager to compete with Windows and MacOS but releasing features without testing it. I give an example. File drug and drop they put this features but it's buggy and case some gnome components crash. I am regular user who are good with default settings but this is not enough to keep me up with this OS. There is another bug with selinux who force me to set the nameservers manualy everytime I reboot the systems because selinux can't read resoveler rpm data thinks that package should not have access to /etc/resolv.conf

This never happened to me, and I'm not new to Linux, nor even to Fedora. What did you touch in your default configuration that resulted in this mess? It shouldn't force you to do anything.

Admin

ERROR: S client not available

Tobias?

25.01.2018
17:44:57

Network connections should be done trough network-manager, its settings gui or nmcli.

This is the equivalent of "sticking the hand in the blender"

Kohane

25.01.2018
17:45:35

The user does however need to follow the instructions to use their food mixer.

Meh... so many people use the mixer first and read the instructions later, usually when something goes apparently wrong.

Tobias?

25.01.2018
17:45:39

When you install other packages to take over the os's function we expect you to know what they do and why you want to.

Kohane

25.01.2018
17:46:08

This is the equivalent of "sticking the hand in the blender"

But he loves doing it, doesn't he?

Tobias?

25.01.2018
17:46:22

And deal with it problems arrive. Having a thirdparty package that replaces and dorks with networkmanager take over dns settings isnt fedoras problem.

But he loves doing it, doesn't he?

"oh no, selinux is preventing and unknown program from mixing up a configuration that is written whenever any connection changes, from network-manager, and is dangerous to change for user privacy!"

@iVafa And now we can point you to: uninstall connman open the gnome settings > network > your network adapter or > wifi > your wifi network go to its settings uncheck auto dns enter the dns you wanted.

Vafa

25.01.2018
17:48:41

Why did you install connman?

I install that after a problem with dns. I find an issue with setting up config file manually and conflicting with selinux roles. I thought that may set the configuration in the way that selinux can accept it.

Tobias?

25.01.2018
17:48:50

This works reliably, across reboots, without sticking hands into mixers and without the need for 3rdparty packages.

Kohane

25.01.2018
17:48:52

I use xorg session

Then it's not related to Wayland. Did you try different USB stickes and/or memories? Did you try the same with another desktop or file manager? Do you remember if you changed anything in the last 24hrs? Like updating or installing something, or changing some configuration...?

Google

Tobias?

25.01.2018
17:49:04

I install that after a problem with dns. I find an issue with setting up config file manually and conflicting with selinux roles. I thought that may set the configuration in the way that selinux can accept it.

Yes, trough network-manager.

Tell me

Its in the goddamn system settings, clearly labelled and named.

Kohane

25.01.2018
17:50:33

I install that after a problem with dns. I find an issue with setting up config file manually and conflicting with selinux roles. I thought that may set the configuration in the way that selinux can accept it.

Why are you setting anything manually? Those things work automatically for a reason.

Tobias?

25.01.2018
17:50:35

connman will scream until you either uninstall it or set correct permissions - because what it does is ignored by the system

the resolv.conf is for you viewing the dns servers, changes there will be dutifully ignored.

Because Network-manager handles it.

And if you want to use a different dns do so in its easy to use, native, preinstalled and even the most basic user can do this gui.

Vafa

25.01.2018
17:51:49

See you have a default about users complaint. You judge before knowing the source of problem.

Kohane

25.01.2018
17:52:30

Consumer does not need to know who electric motor on Food mixer works.

If you're changing stuff manually it's because you know what you're doing. Therefore you're not a consumer. And this is a community, not a supermarket. FYI

Tobias?

25.01.2018
17:52:35

See you have a default about users complaint. You judge before knowing the source of problem.

The problem is you using a different tool that you shouldnt and then wondering why it doesnt work, without even searching how to do it right. Then complaining about your lack of skill to click into your pcs settings.

I dont judge, i see how it is.

Rokas