but I don't need /var/cache

I prefer package list instead of copy of /bin

It's simple backup with dedup :(

Its anything but simple if you want it and you can exclude and include whatever you want

disk image too big, and I don't know all config directories :(

/var, /etc, /home.

Its anything but simple if you want it and you can exclude and include whatever you want

Not me want, but system...

and /opt for some stranger files

Not me want, but system...

What do you mean by that

I prefer package list instead of copy of /bin

dnf list installed, again

and /opt for some stranger files

I would like to backup system state...

dnf list installed, again

I really gotta remember this one, haha.

dnf list installed, again

dnf history userinstalled

I would like to backup system state...

You cant unless you use it in a vm and make a snapshot or you use xfs and enable snapshots for it, then make them and transfer them

dnf history userinstalled

You always want the entire list. userinstalled may forget things installed trough the appstore and co.

hm... my English too poor to describe what I want :(

You cant unless you use it in a vm and make a snapshot or you use xfs and enable snapshots for it, then make them and transfer them

And beware that either of them take a lot of space quickly

hm... my English too poor to describe what I want :(

Use google translator then

I never install anything by Applications

and write what you want as exact as you want in your mother language.

You just said you need to backup your system.

I want to keep the state of the system, and not get its full image. I do not need cache files, binaries, and so much more that you can then just install. And this is not VM, this is my desktop.

I want to keep the state of the system, and not get its full image. I do not need cache files, binaries, and so much more that you can then just install. And this is not VM, this is my desktop.

Yes, but then you need borgbackup on /etc /var and /home and exclude cache files simply.

The variant with the full image also does not work, I installed a lot of packages, and it's too redundant to simply backup them with binaries.

Whats so hard about this? There is no preexisting program that backups your system and just ignores all cache files by default, no.

Yes, but then you need borgbackup on /etc /var and /home and exclude cache files simply.

Thanks, I'll think about it, although rsync does a great job with this backup

Thanks, I'll think about it, although rsync does a great job with this backup

rsync is not a proper backup

Whats so hard about this? There is no preexisting program that backups your system and just ignores all cache files by default, no.

Unfortunately :(

You may want to roll back further which is impossible with just rsync

I guess the only true solution is using a cron job to cp files every so often ? :P

rsync is not a proper backup

I daily rsync current state to /d and weekly rsync /d to /e :)

Unfortunately :(

No, because this way you must face to get to know barebones about your system.

Also, you dont need to backup car and etc if you never mabually modified any file there.

All user configuration is kept in your /home/user dir so you only need to backup that

If that is the case deja-dup makes wonderful work of it.

I daily rsync current state to /d and weekly rsync /d to /e :)

Please dont tell me you "backup" rsync to windows hdds on ntfs mounted under their windows drive letter.

If that is the case then your backups are worthless.

With /home generally no questions, more about the system itself. But, I understand. I just thought that there was some mechanism in Fedor to copy the system itself, without applications data. No, I do not use Windows, I'm just too lazy to type long directory names :)

erf, atleast put them under /mnt or something

:) why?

I using /d /e /f in / for backup

because selinux then knows its an external source and can handle access better

I using /d /e /f in / for backup

Ouch

Put then under mnt

oops, I disabled SELinux

if you are too lazy to write them you can make shortcuts in your shell

oops, I disabled SELinux

Oh

why

no

stop

stopdisablingselinux.com

too boring on devops machine

too boring on devops machine

I have it on a devops machine, gave me no headache.

On the contrary, the selinux sandbox is a wonderful tool to test binaries that are untrusted.

ok. thank you, I learn about selinux at next week

I have it on a devops machine, gave me no headache.

And i use absible, vagrant, remote and local sessuons and cockpit.

ok. thank you, I learn about selinux at next week

Dont just turn off system protections because your system is helpful enough to show you hints that something may be wrong. Learn using selinux and on devops machine how to label your files.

Why I can't handle F27 with or without EPEL7 or RPM-Fusion for more than two weeks, before it (or I...) crush it?...

I suppose selinux has some problem with perfomance degradation?

Oh yeah and put remote mounts where they belong eill also help

I suppose selinux has some problem with perfomance degradation?

Zero

Non-noticeable even in dbench or blogbench or fsbench on phoronix.

Why I can't handle F27 with or without EPEL7 or RPM-Fusion for more than two weeks, before it (or I...) crush it?...

No idea, what has gone wrong?

Zero

why? It is controlled network connections? Torrents may kill this control?

Zero

+1 — Even though I tend to fight with SELinux because I'm just stubborn like that, SELinux has absolutely no degredation on my system performance whatsoever.

why? It is controlled network connections? Torrents may kill this control?

Selinux will not forbid you using torrents.

Thank you, I will first read more documentation, and then try to return the settings back.

I needed to install system ASAP

Selinux just requires the program to announce that it is a torrent program - and that means you shouldnt use utorrent.

ERROR: S client not available

Not that anyone should use the buggy insecure mess that is utorrent that terry is really happy to report about as soon as its fixed

Selinux just requires the program to announce that it is a torrent program - and that means you shouldnt use utorrent.

I remember when I first used torrents. uTorrent was just the thing I thought I needed to use... Now it seems like an absolutely trashy mess after using normal things like Transmission or QBitTorrent

utorrent under Linux? ooch, I prefer transmission

utorrent under Linux? ooch, I prefer transmission

Perfect

No need to change that

in wine?!

in wine?!

Wait what

No, keep using the native transmission client.

No idea, what has gone wrong?

I spent with F26 + testing updates + EPEL7 and RPM fusion, just to learn wtf is RedHat and Fedora all about, for ~6 months, till I ended up with a @fedoraproject.org email, and a "Contributor" Business Card ? But for 6 months, I have been doing reinstalls - two-three/week :-)

No, keep using the native transmission client.

you said, you run utorrent?

I remember when I first used torrents. uTorrent was just the thing I thought I needed to use... Now it seems like an absolutely trashy mess after using normal things like Transmission or QBitTorrent

We all started somewhere - heck when inwas young inhad tried everything from utorrent to the one made for streaming with an orange logo and the one that had its own member network (frostwire).

you said, you run utorrent?

I dont.

I was advising against it.

I spent with F26 + testing updates + EPEL7 and RPM fusion, just to learn wtf is RedHat and Fedora all about, for ~6 months, till I ended up with a @fedoraproject.org email, and a "Contributor" Business Card ? But for 6 months, I have been doing reinstalls - two-three/week :-)

Dont do testing updates

We all started somewhere - heck when inwas young inhad tried everything from utorrent to the one made for streaming with an orange logo and the one that had its own member network (frostwire).

Ah yeah, definitely nice to get out of that then. Glad we made it! ?

And ideally epel isnt even needed on fedora.

@buredoRUNofthecyborg, if it's any consolation, I've just finished my short stay with OpenSUSE and I'm already burning the Fedora installation media to portal me out ?

Dont do testing updates

With F27 I didn't!... But anyway, at a time it crushes... (Or I'm crushing it with crazy building ideas...) Whoever, thanks for responding in your encouraging way, to get back to the most secure gnu/Linux based OS!... And I have deep respect for the American origin and Headquaters of RedHat® anyway, plus the origin of the most week integrated SELinux modules in an OS... Thanks! I've just wondering what Gnome 3.24+++ OS to move on, after trying to harden the security of Debian 9.3 Stable... Is it worthy to get back to F26??? It should be more stable???

With F27 I didn't!... But anyway, at a time it crushes... (Or I'm crushing it with crazy building ideas...) Whoever, thanks for responding in your encouraging way, to get back to the most secure gnu/Linux based OS!... And I have deep respect for the American origin and Headquaters of RedHat® anyway, plus the origin of the most week integrated SELinux modules in an OS... Thanks! I've just wondering what Gnome 3.24+++ OS to move on, after trying to harden the security of Debian 9.3 Stable... Is it worthy to get back to F26??? It should be more stable???

F27 was and is stable

Is there anything the crashes had in common?

When did they happen, why, what message came up?

F27 was and is stable

I'll follow your advice... Thank you, F-friend!!! I didn't find anywhere something more developed, as Fedora - including Docs, Wikis, and it's unique building envoirments, like Bodhi, etc. But the most worthy thing of Fedora for me is it's Security. Thank you, man/woman!!!

I'll follow your advice... Thank you, F-friend!!! I didn't find anywhere something more developed, as Fedora - including Docs, Wikis, and it's unique building envoirments, like Bodhi, etc. But the most worthy thing of Fedora for me is it's Security. Thank you, man/woman!!!

Thank you, @Tovias !

stopdisablingselinux.com

So, I'm about 30 Minutes into the video that's on the site, SELinux seems great for devops but a major ballache for general use

But still more secure and prevents doing completely dumb shit

So, I'm about 30 Minutes into the video that's on the site, SELinux seems great for devops but a major ballache for general use

General users should not meet any selinux restraints ever.

So, I'm about 30 Minutes into the video that's on the site, SELinux seems great for devops but a major ballache for general use

It is a ballache for normal/general use, which is why I get so pissy at it. But it's a great tool to have regardless.

Unless they manually execute random binaries off the web.

It is a ballache for normal/general use, which is why I get so pissy at it. But it's a great tool to have regardless.

I have yet to find it impacting any of my daily work really.

TLP on a laptop. :)

Unless they manually execute random binaries off the web.

Or want to run a little apache server to quickly grab stuff locally and are too lazy to setup FTP Or anything

TLP on a laptop. :)

When it comes to sleep/lid close. SELinux tends to throw a fit.