But nobody wants just croot when you can put it i to developer mode and boot an actual linux off it :3

True

The issue with Chromebooks typically is that they're kinda locked down in a similar way to Android phones

Many, but not all - and the few that arent have wide community coverage how to get linux onto usually.

Many, but not all - and the few that arent have wide community coverage how to get linux onto usually.

Uhm. I'm getting worried....

Many, but not all - and the few that arent have wide community coverage how to get linux onto usually.

Yeah. If it's an x86 one, it's typically much better off. The Acer Chromebook 15 was more or less like the typical install on a laptop. I was surprised tbh

Can't I boot a USB stick like any laptop?

Uhm. I'm getting worried....

If you look at chromebooks for the cheapness lok twenty times. They are designed to be used online so they dont have storage for movies and documents really. The storage thay they have is highly volatile - to an extent that running limux can kill it in months or a year because it wasnt designed to be actually written or used alot. And they are, of course, underpowered to extreme amounts to reach the battery life.

There are better models but you have to carefully source them from the mess that is chromebooks market.

Can't I boot a USB stick like any laptop?

I think some have a seabios and allow such.

If you look at chromebooks for the cheapness lok twenty times. They are designed to be used online so they dont have storage for movies and documents really. The storage thay they have is highly volatile - to an extent that running limux can kill it in months or a year because it wasnt designed to be actually written or used alot. And they are, of course, underpowered to extreme amounts to reach the battery life.

How long does the battery last generally?

After unlocking it of course.

I don't store movies. Photography it's what takes the most of my storage.

How long does the battery last generally?

Depends entirely on the model but i've seen 6-12 hours.

Depends entirely on the model but i've seen 6-12 hours.

Cool. That's more than what I have now.

I don't store movies. Photography it's what takes the most of my storage.

32gb of quickly dying storage is common for chromebooks.

Cool. That's more than what I have now.

At performance, build quality, screen quality, keyboard awfulness ect. cost.

Depends entirely on the model but i've seen 6-12 hours.

Yeah, that's the typical rate.

Thing is, @Wolfshappen that I'm not buying. It's a gift. But I don't have it in my hands yet, so I don't know the exact specs.

It can be a bit tricky to install other systems on Chromebooks. I would suggest looking into Crouton as this is a very common method.

Only ubuntu though, right?

A used x230 with a new 9cell battery will last 4-6 hours of full performance work or 9 hours of watching movies, if you need a tough and dependeable machine.

Only ubuntu though, right?

Hm?

At performance, build quality, screen quality, keyboard awfulness ect. cost.

Keyboard will be British. That's the only certain thing I know about it.

Same for the 430 but the batteries cost more because bigger.

A used x230 with a new 9cell battery will last 4-6 hours of full performance work or 9 hours of watching movies, if you need a tough and dependeable machine.

The x240 with the same config will last even longer than that, thanks to its 15W cpu.

32gb of quickly dying storage is common for chromebooks.

That's really too little. Even for me.

Only ubuntu though, right?

Nah, all systems that have the needed patches and drivers upstream - Fedora is usually faster in those :P

At performance, build quality, screen quality, keyboard awfulness ect. cost.

Can you explain this message a bit more?

Hm?

Chrouton? Nvm.

Chrouton? Nvm.

Ah, sorry :3

Can you explain this message a bit more?

Lithium isnt cheap, neither are the screen and co. If you get a 200 buck chromebook with ips display and 9 hour battery runtime the manufacturer will have to save on every single other point. Creaky joints, flexing displays, shitty storage, meh wifi chips...

They are throwaway machines made for kids, students or shared work environments if you want to browse or work in gdocs.

What do you think about refurbished MacBooks for using Linux, @Wolfshappen ? Get around to this, after talking about Chromebooks...

Unless you get the pixel series, which starts at 1k.

Unless you get the pixel series, which starts at 1k.

Well at least they're consistent with that 1k pricing ?

What do you think about refurbished MacBooks for using Linux, @Wolfshappen ? Get around to this, after talking about Chromebooks...

I'd rather a used thinkpad. Cheaper to get in shape, cheaper to update and they still have new batteries straight from lenovo on sale.

Well at least they're consistent with that 1k pricing ?

For what my kidney goes these days, I'd expect a lot more, tbfh...

I'd rather a used thinkpad. Cheaper to get in shape, cheaper to update and they still have new batteries straight from lenovo on sale.

iOS updates are free. Just saying.

For what my kidney goes these days, I'd expect a lot more, tbfh...

I guess I wouldn't mind selling a kidney. I don't drink much anyway. :3

iOS updates are free. Just saying.

You can't download more ram, a new ssd, new thermal grease.

I'd rather a used thinkpad. Cheaper to get in shape, cheaper to update and they still have new batteries straight from lenovo on sale.

Plus, you can get it liberated, some cases. I'm still curious about Macs build quality, and how it werks with Linux....

I dont give a crap about vendor software updates as i'll communityOS it anyway - the build and repairability are the only things that really count to me.

You can't download more ram, a new ssd, new thermal grease.

Oh, but you're not likely to need it. I've seen old Apple laptops and netbooks working perfectly. As long as they get their updates and support, they're fine.

I guess I wouldn't mind selling a kidney. I don't drink much anyway. :3

My grandma has renal dz, and we have the same blood type, so.... (Hers are fine, just worst case measures)

Oh, but you're not likely to need it. I've seen old Apple laptops and netbooks working perfectly. As long as they get their updates and support, they're fine.

Batteries over 800 charging cycles will rapidly loose their power. Every mac i've seen that old has some serious shortened runtime.

My grandma has renal dz, and we have the same blood type, so.... (Hers are fine, just worst case measures)

Ah, I see. Quite nice for it to even be a consideration, so props.

Oh, but you're not likely to need it. I've seen old Apple laptops and netbooks working perfectly. As long as they get their updates and support, they're fine.

Apple slows down mobiles with new iOS updates, they may be doing it to PC's too....

Hopefully that's never needed.

If it was me, I would prefer an Apple laptop or netbook of any kind. But as I said, it's a gift so I'm not going to complain. I just wanted to know if I could use something else, as I do a lot of stuff offline.

Ah, I see. Quite nice for it to even be a consideration, so props.

She's one of the best influences of my life, plus she brought me up, so....

Hopefully that's never needed.

Precisely!!!!

And if i cant manually update: ram ssd thermal grease and cant replace: battery screen basically anything but the mainboatd itself i consider a machine to be not mine.

Apple slows down mobiles with new iOS updates, they may be doing it to PC's too....

My mobile is a 5s with the last updates and works as smoothly as the first day. Maybe you installed something?

Easily replace and update without owning a bga removal kit.

My mobile is a 5s with the last updates and works as smoothly as the first day. Maybe you installed something?

No, I don't use apple stuff, but I remember seeing articles about this...

And if i cant manually update: ram ssd thermal grease and cant replace: battery screen basically anything but the mainboatd itself i consider a machine to be not mine.

And that's how we're back to the ThinkPads

If it was me, I would prefer an Apple laptop or netbook of any kind. But as I said, it's a gift so I'm not going to complain. I just wanted to know if I could use something else, as I do a lot of stuff offline.

I quite like their laptops in terms of design and feel ( with the exception of the horrid keyboard on some of the newer MBP devices ). There's things about them that just lose their appeal for me, unfortunately. This either being the touchbar, trackpad ( which has gotten worse, though still has a wonderful feel ), and the poor thermal control methods...

Batteries over 800 charging cycles will rapidly loose their power. Every mac i've seen that old has some serious shortened runtime.

The netbook I have, it's not mine and has no battery at all. So I guess that's a general a rule for all devices not just Apple.

My mobile is a 5s with the last updates and works as smoothly as the first day. Maybe you installed something?

5s is definitely not as smooth as it used to be... but still really usable

No, I don't use apple stuff, but I remember seeing articles about this...

Oh, I don't care much about articles. You never know who writes them and why.

I quite like their laptops in terms of design and feel ( with the exception of the horrid keyboard on some of the newer MBP devices ). There's things about them that just lose their appeal for me, unfortunately. This either being the touchbar, trackpad ( which has gotten worse, though still has a wonderful feel ), and the poor thermal control methods...

#donglelife :P

Oh, I don't care much about articles. You never know who writes them and why.

Note articles, in plural, btw...

Apple slows down mobiles with new iOS updates, they may be doing it to PC's too....

False, macOS hasn't slowed down a bit. Their display server only gets faster, too

No, I don't use apple stuff, but I remember seeing articles about this...

Ah yeah. They decrease CPU throughput in situations when the battery is not reliable or stable enough to provide adequate power. Something which I absolutely think they should do, but I also think wasn't publicly addressed very well.

Note articles, in plural, btw...

I used the plural too.

Ah yeah. They decrease CPU throughput in situations when the battery is not reliable or stable enough to provide adequate power. Something which I absolutely think they should do, but I also think wasn't publicly addressed very well.

Agreed My old Android phones die during use only because their batteries are really unable to put out a charge.

Apple slows down mobiles with new iOS updates, they may be doing it to PC's too....

Let's not compare simple ARM-based device on strange version of freebsd with supreme hi-tech x86 unix workstation

#donglelife :P

Hah, I'm one of those weird people who like dongles just because I rarely ever use my ports and it makes me look busy ?

False, macOS hasn't slowed down a bit. Their display server only gets faster, too

Note the may in the OP.

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Agreed My old Android phones die during use only because their batteries are really unable to put out a charge.

but leave em alone and they'll get to 1%

Let's not compare simple ARM-based device on strange version of freebsd with supreme hi-tech x86 unix workstation

Same company, they may, again may do that.

Note the may in the OP.

noted, thanks

Hah, I'm one of those weird people who like dongles just because I rarely ever use my ports and it makes me look busy ?

:)

Hah, I'm one of those weird people who like dongles just because I rarely ever use my ports and it makes me look busy ?

lol :D

i really like usb-c though, you can get a cheap-ass dongle to usb-a, vga and charge through it at the same time

like a tiny docking station

Let's not compare simple ARM-based device on strange version of freebsd with supreme hi-tech x86 unix workstation

what would that workstation be?

one thing i hate about it is there's no logitech unifying receiver for usb-c

what would that workstation be?

FEDORA 83! :3

but my lappy still has usb-a so i don't care now

i really like usb-c though, you can get a cheap-ass dongle to usb-a, vga and charge through it at the same time

It's really cool I remember the people bitching about the MacBook Pro having only USB C ports Did they not realize that they don't have to use proprietary chargers anymore?!

but my lappy still has usb-a so i don't care now

Ah, similar story here.

FEDORA 83! :3

LOL

It's really cool I remember the people bitching about the MacBook Pro having only USB C ports Did they not realize that they don't have to use proprietary chargers anymore?!

It's no fun if you can't complain about it ?

Oh my gosh, this sticker pack is the digital print of my soul ?

It's really cool I remember the people bitching about the MacBook Pro having only USB C ports Did they not realize that they don't have to use proprietary chargers anymore?!

meanwhile my dell xps 15 can be charged with usb-c chargers but you won't get full performance because usb-c can give only 100W of power and the laptop needs 135W

meanwhile my dell xps 15 can be charged with usb-c chargers but you won't get full performance because usb-c can give only 100W of power and the laptop needs 135W

That's when you plug all the ports into the wall charger

That's when you plug all the ports into the wall charger

there's just one :/

there's just one :/

Aw, that's probably a good thing ?

A potentially dangerous move ?

i think it's actually smart enough to mitigate this risk

i can have it plugged in my usb-c docking station that charges it and in my regular charger at the same time

it actually asks me to plug in the regular charger if the docking station is underpowered

I would assume so, but I don't know if anyone's tried to plug in all of them to the wall, if there's more than two.

it actually asks me to plug in the regular charger if the docking station is underpowered

That's smart!

https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/259744/what-happens-if-you-plug-more-than-one-charger-in-the-new-macbook-pro-2016

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