*shrugs*

Things that are FSF certified have a tendency to be considerably crippled for most desktop users. Though I respect the effort it takes to not only make it and get it certified, but to use it and stick with it.

With this kind of environment, Firefox can't keylog all your shit. As long as you use multiple Xen domains for applications. It's a mindset.

*Firefox

I suggest going to the official website, it can explain it better than me right now. Not that I can't explain it, it's just a PITA to type on mobile.

Things that are FSF certified have a tendency to be considerably crippled for most desktop users. Though I respect the effort it takes to not only make it and get it certified, but to use it and stick with it.

I know, hardware support may be lacking too. But I understand that it has a place in Linux, and the benefits of using such a system. If I could afford the hardware, or if it were available at brick and mortar stores in my country, I'd obviously prefer open hardware. (Big manufacturers don't want that so....)

Things that are FSF certified have a tendency to be considerably crippled for most desktop users. Though I respect the effort it takes to not only make it and get it certified, but to use it and stick with it.

Due to a lack of AV codecs and some hardware drivers, I assume? Yes, unfortunately

Due to a lack of AV codecs and some hardware drivers, I assume? Yes, unfortunately

Keep in mind that video drivers for NVIDIA platforms are complete ass right now

Things that are FSF certified have a tendency to be considerably crippled for most desktop users. Though I respect the effort it takes to not only make it and get it certified, but to use it and stick with it.

My dream is to get a Thinkpad (not Lenovo), and liberate it....

Can't even run Wayland on NVIDIA drivers AFAIK

Keep in mind that video drivers for NVIDIA platforms are complete ass right now

Implies they were good before....

My dream is to get a Thinkpad (not Lenovo), and liberate it....

with coreboot too? That would be NICE

Implies they were good before....

:P

with coreboot too? That would be NICE

Yeeee boiiii

My dream is to get a Thinkpad (not Lenovo), and liberate it....

I don't know if I'd be able to do that myself, haha. I'm very tied into all the garbage, haha.

I find it surprising that ThinkPad brand went from being an IBM personal computing staple, to being owned by a Chinese company (not HK. China.)

I don't know if I'd be able to do that myself, haha. I'm very tied into all the garbage, haha.

Me too, mostly. I can do without proprietary video. I suppose I could use the device as a secondary productivity machine, with office software and mp3....

My dream is to get a Thinkpad (not Lenovo), and liberate it....

I've got x200 which can be liberated, but it's so much hassle that I just can't be bothered to do it

I know, hardware support may be lacking too. But I understand that it has a place in Linux, and the benefits of using such a system. If I could afford the hardware, or if it were available at brick and mortar stores in my country, I'd obviously prefer open hardware. (Big manufacturers don't want that so....)

You know, that's changes with time. A couple of years ago, FSF duettist wasn't support my network card but now they okay with it, because Atheros has opened the code. Or mp3 that is now free...

I find it surprising that ThinkPad brand went from being an IBM personal computing staple, to being owned by a Chinese company (not HK. China.)

I wonder how much of this business is operated elsewhere. Being a Chinese company (Lenovo), there is incredible risk if you want to trust their boards.

You know, that's changes with time. A couple of years ago, FSF duettist wasn't support my network card but now they okay with it, because Atheros has opened the code. Or mp3 that is now free...

Yeah, that's a factor too...

My dream is to get a Thinkpad (not Lenovo), and liberate it....

X60

Or an X200

I've got x200 which can be liberated, but it's so much hassle that I just can't be bothered to do it

Just a dream of mine.... Don't let practicality get in the way of my dreams, man :P

Or Yeelong Lemote(lol)

Just a dream of mine.... Don't let practicality get in the way of my dreams, man :P

those old ThinkPads are quite cheap nowadays, they're Lenovos though ;)

*ChinaPads

Or Yeelong Lemote(lol)

I looked for one, it's so hard to get that I don't think it's worth it.

Me too, mostly. I can do without proprietary video. I suppose I could use the device as a secondary productivity machine, with office software and mp3....

Ah, because I make videos (and watch a lot) H.264 and H.265 type stuff, as well as a LOT of the nonfree stuff is super important for my workflow ?

Or an X200

I was thinking this, I've seen a lot of people talking about coreboot and this model... (Unsure if Indian brick and mortar stores have it, or if someone ships it here, at a decent shipping cost)

Or Yeelong Lemote(lol)

I'm starting to think they only made one for RMS and then vanished

Yeelong is from Hong Kong, right? I can't remember

I'm starting to think they only made one for RMS and then vanished

Huh

I was thinking this, I've seen a lot of people talking about coreboot and this model... (Unsure if Indian brick and mortar stores have it, or if someone ships it here, at a decent shipping cost)

Brick and mortar stores won't, if you just want coreboot then you can get a T430

those old ThinkPads are quite cheap nowadays, they're Lenovos though ;)

Meh, as long as Fedora doesn't break the BIOS, I may get one...

*ChinaPads

Ypu're saying it like other computers are made anywhere else ;)

Brick and mortar stores won't, if you just want coreboot then you can get a T430

Nah, one device, the whole shebang

Ypu're saying it like other computers are made anywhere else ;)

Lenovo is a Chinese company. Everything about that board is designed there.

Ah, because I make videos (and watch a lot) H.264 and H.265 type stuff, as well as a LOT of the nonfree stuff is super important for my workflow ?

Yeah, absolutely, me too... (Ergo, secondary device)

Meh, as long as Fedora doesn't break the BIOS, I may get one...

They're coreboot/libreboot compatible AFAIK, so I guess there will always be some way to boot Linux

They're coreboot/libreboot compatible AFAIK, so I guess there will always be some way to boot Linux

Oh nice....

Maybe I'll get one in a few months, once I've saved up (I got a new device around 5 months back, so...)

Lenovo is a Chinese company. Everything about that board is designed there.

I know that, but also knowing that most of the subcomponents are Chinese too, why should you care? It takes a backdoor in one controller to get you toasted, I don't think there's much choice if you want to be safe nowadays

You can also buy Russian military/government computers, it's libre too.(but they are not so good and costs like a macbook)

I think the safest option is pen and paper nowadays, other than that these Russian things (but again, you don't know what Russians put there) or maybe some ARM boards like beagleboards which are libre as well last time I've heard

but, to be honest, with current level of HW sophistication you never really know what's hiding inside

China is a hellhole where you are forced to give your TLS private keys to the government. Anyone sure they can trust Lenovo more than another manufacturer?

China is a hellhole where you are forced to give your TLS private keys to the government. Anyone sure they can trust Lenovo more than another manufacturer?

I dont trust it more than any other, I trust it at the same level provided I can install my own OS and it's not messed with; but again, with latest Intel shenanigans it's not Lenovo that I would be concerned with

I think the safest option is pen and paper nowadays, other than that these Russian things (but again, you don't know what Russians put there) or maybe some ARM boards like beagleboards which are libre as well last time I've heard

We have SPARC processors and our own, which can emulate x86 on a hardware level(most of people thinks it is a waste of governmental money, and I partly agree with them)

I'm starting to think that Arduinos are the only levels of simplicity that you can trust, maybe a little more... and that gives me an idea, why shouldn't we come back to simple computers, that would act as notebooks and more advanced calculators, but which we would be able to understand if we'd really want to?

China is a hellhole where you are forced to give your TLS private keys to the government. Anyone sure they can trust Lenovo more than another manufacturer?

Absolutely not. Not that I buy Lenovo, but I don't have any more trust in Dell or HP or any other because there's no point trying to make that justification when it's nearly impossible to back it in practice.

Absolutely not. Not that I buy Lenovo, but I don't have any more trust in Dell or HP or any other because there's no point trying to make that justification when it's nearly impossible to back it in practice.

I suppose you could trust librem to an extent...

I suppose you could trust librem to an extent...

To an extent, maybe. But I don't make my purchases based off of this because it does nothing but hinder my choices.

We have SPARC processors and our own, which can emulate x86 on a hardware level(most of people thinks it is a waste of governmental money, and I partly agree with them)

I've heard about it and I think it's not that dumb for big goverments to have independent computing platform developed in-country, but why I, as a non-russian and a citizen of a more or less competing nation, should trust it more than x86? ;) But yeah, all things comsidered, I'd love to play with it.

I've heard about it and I think it's not that dumb for big goverments to have independent computing platform developed in-country, but why I, as a non-russian and a citizen of a more or less competing nation, should trust it more than x86? ;) But yeah, all things comsidered, I'd love to play with it.

They say it can compile C/C++ programs faster than x86. And they have a processor with 16 mb cache....

RISC-V Please?

They say it can compile C/C++ programs faster than x86. And they have a processor with 16 mb cache....

That sounds awesome!

RISC-V Please?

ARM? :3

To an extent, maybe. But I don't make my purchases based off of this because it does nothing but hinder my choices.

Yeah, mostly the price for me...

ARM? :3

No.

Yeah, mostly the price for me...

That too. ? Libre stuff can be super expensive.

No.

Lol. Meh, I like ARM, but I know some people aren't a fan.

ARM is my favorite RISC tech.

Lol. Meh, I like ARM, but I know some people aren't a fan.

The point of RISC-V Is that it's incredibly fast while being open, something that ARM Is not

ARM is my favorite RISC tech.

In terms of the actual definition of the word, and not the alternative use of the name.

The point of RISC-V Is that it's incredibly fast while being open, something that ARM Is not

Ah, unfortunately I'm one of those people that isn't against non open stuffs

Ah, unfortunately I'm one of those people that isn't against non open stuffs

I'm not, however I'm against things that are slower for little reason

I'd love to buy an RISC-V board that wouldn't be more expensive than, say, BeagleBone Black

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That sounds awesome!

Ordinary people can buy only a desktop version with really slowed down processors... So it's not awesome. And no Nvidia support

Ordinary people can buy only a desktop version with really slowed down processors... So it's not awesome. And no Nvidia support

It is awesome. I'm talking about the tech itself, not whether they're sharing it or not.

Well, whatever

Well you said it yourself. So if it's something we would absolutely want if we could get it, don't you think that it's awesome? Considering its capabilities and how it's coveted?

BTW, Nvidia just refuses to cooperate l, so that's why there are no Nvidia support on that

BTW, Nvidia just refuses to cooperate l, so that's why there are no Nvidia support on that

Nvidia has a bad habit of doing things like that ?

It is awesome. I'm talking about the tech itself, not whether they're sharing it or not.

I think that's missing two opportunities for the goverment - to make it cheaper by producing it on a bigger scale, and to get loads of software for it, but I guess they have their reasons ;)

AMD said "yes of course", so all desktops goes with AMD video cards out of the box

I think that's missing two opportunities for the goverment - to make it cheaper by producing it on a bigger scale, and to get loads of software for it, but I guess they have their reasons ;)

Yeah, I think it could probably take off really fast if they were able to boost it in that direction.

AMD said "yes of course", so all desktops goes with AMD video cards out of the box

(usually just office models, but that doesn't matter)

AMD said "yes of course", so all desktops goes with AMD video cards out of the box

All the new machines with Vega inside are super appealing imho

Hello @Kohane and everyone! Thanks for the oportunity to share some knowledge with you again. I'm from Brasil and getting back to Fedora after spend some years on my old machines ?.

Do you have some tutorial for the right packs to select on the netinstall version, using the XFCE environment ? I want to check if I have selected the right ones...

Do you have some tutorial for the right packs to select on the netinstall version, using the XFCE environment ? I want to check if I have selected the right ones...

What do you mean with old?

Hello @Kohane and everyone! Thanks for the oportunity to share some knowledge with you again. I'm from Brasil and getting back to Fedora after spend some years on my old machines ?.

Hello! Welcome back to Fedora!

I'm using a Core2Duo still

What do you mean with old?

Old like Atlhons of the first release hahahaha

I'm using a Core2Duo still

I am too. I definitely consider it old, haha.

Poor old thinkpad... Got it a few days ago with 2 batteries with less than 10 cycles and an advanced dock

For me It does the job (for now)

Poor old thinkpad... Got it a few days ago with 2 batteries with less than 10 cycles and an advanced dock

Those ones from IBM were a piece of art, and Lenovo turn then a piece of s.... anyway, now I'm back and this is the most important ?

Mine is Lenovo, but from the moving years so its a IBM with Lenovo stcikers

Hello! Welcome back to Fedora!

Thank U ?

I had to buy It, It is new, always used in dock with Ext. Keyboard screen and mouse ?

Anyway, welcome Matheus!

I had to buy It, It is new, always used in dock with Ext. Keyboard screen and mouse ?

Lucky you, it's a hard think to find around here!

Anyway, welcome Matheus!

Thanks a lot ?

Do you have some tutorial for the right packs to select on the netinstall version, using the XFCE environment ? I want to check if I have selected the right ones...

@DanieldSM do you know something about ? The vim option gave me an error and I lost 2.18Gb of downloads ?

No backup?

@DanieldSM do you know something about ? The vim option gave me an error and I lost 2.18Gb of downloads ?

I always just select the Desktop Environment (well, not even that as i'm fine with gnome) and install everything else after.