Hi @Lukcaz ! Welcome to the group. Please, read the rules in the pinned message.

Hi @Lukcaz ! Welcome to the group. Please, read the rules in the pinned message.

Hi @Kohane , thanks. Yeah, I read rules. Thanks for the reception.

My pleasure

Is gnome software upgrading firmware these days?

It kind of stop working for my Dell since F27

Is gnome software upgrading firmware these days?

Yes it is, if there are updates available.

Of course fwupd can't update anything if there is nothing to update.

@Wolfshappen I'm not that silly, fwupdmrg reports available updates that gnome software doesn't show

Eh, maybe there is either an interaction bug between the two then - or app store needs to update all sources. Unless updates for fwupd need to be approved by fedora first?

Why your dnf is designed not to know to handle RPM sources??

Why your dnf is designed not to know to handle RPM sources??

You mean SRPMs?

Srpms do that or the respective spec files

Yes RPM sources are SRPM and are there any active frontends using RPM sources as a backend?☺️

I don't think so. It would need an build environment on the machine to do that and that's something you try to avoid

What should be possible to this build environment? For me this should be mostly an non-system drive for my personal data, this drive is about 0.125TiB.

Why to say the most people are to try to avoid? I need to launch a packaging frontend with the RPM sources being a backend. This idea is like what Gentoo or FreeBSD projects are doing so.

Note that i am an technical Unix-like citizen.☺️?????

Why to say the most people are to try to avoid? I need to launch a packaging frontend with the RPM sources being a backend. This idea is like what Gentoo or FreeBSD projects are doing so.

Not really a good idea - rpms as is are usually made for the target system, against the targets environment, libraries and versions. If you want a packaging frontend for linux look at nix (and nixos) but for fedora youbgenerally try to avoid compiling from source as much as possible.

And if you plan on launching something like the AUR - please dont, fedora is best enjoyed as something stable with trusted repos and without a sysadmins personal hell.

What should be possible to this build environment? For me this should be mostly an non-system drive for my personal data, this drive is about 0.125TiB.

Building packages takes time, ram space and ideally a lot of disk space to speed up future compilings. Either you have a remote machine doing it or your package maintainers on a central build system. You usually want to avoid building as much as possible because it quickly becomes either tedious to always have all header files ready or wasteful in timewaste on compiling or space it needs in ram or hdd.

If you are interested in packaging and maintaining apps that are not yet packages just hit up this group and let the veterans guide you to submit your package to rpmfusion. And if you can't legally package something you want like intellij or spotify then host it yourself with your private repo (spotify - negativo17) or dont at all.

And if you plan on launching something like the AUR - please dont, fedora is best enjoyed as something stable with trusted repos and without a sysadmins personal hell.

Yeah, the AUR Exists ( Not primarily ) as a method to escape licensing agreements between companies and the arch linux devs, community maintained stuff can also be hell to keep certain packages updated, discord-canary for example since it REQUIRES You to be on the newest release the moment it is launched you can be unable to use it for days at a time, though it\s useful for having an area to host non-stable versions of software, like firefox-nightly for example

Because all a PKGBUILD Is a shell script that contains build instructions, it's nothing special, you could install .rpm's if you want with them

Yeah, the AUR Exists ( Not primarily ) as a method to escape licensing agreements between companies and the arch linux devs, community maintained stuff can also be hell to keep certain packages updated, discord-canary for example since it REQUIRES You to be on the newest release the moment it is launched you can be unable to use it for days at a time, though it\s useful for having an area to host non-stable versions of software, like firefox-nightly for example

Yes, but nightly is also available as unpack and execute archive with autoupdater - because the people that have a use for using it can do so :P

Because all a PKGBUILD Is a shell script that contains build instructions, it's nothing special, you could install .rpm's if you want with them

*If on a system supporting rpms :P

I mean, this is from an arch standpoint, although I can just install DNF On it, PKGBUILDS Are good AND bad for the average person, the fact that it can install from anything allows developers to build in different ways ( Which is also the downside )

Huh? One _could_ install dnf on any distro, it's just that you beg for trouble if you use multiple package managers

I mean, this is from an arch standpoint, although I can just install DNF On it, PKGBUILDS Are good AND bad for the average person, the fact that it can install from anything allows developers to build in different ways ( Which is also the downside )

Yes, but aur pro and cons can both fill entire books - while i am still wondering what @hd_scania is tryong to achieve here really.

Yeah, the AUR Is certainly *a thing* but I don't really know what he wants to do either

Why to say the most people are to try to avoid? I need to launch a packaging frontend with the RPM sources being a backend. This idea is like what Gentoo or FreeBSD projects are doing so.

@hd_scania So i want to play a game my little brother loves to play with me too. Imagine us starting with "I want to build a frontend for fedora that uses srcrpm and is like gentoo" Now, to make this short - can you make an answer that follows the scheme of you answering the followup question "But why, which problem is solved/Why do you do this" over and over until we can understand your thought process behind this and what exactly you want in the end?

The answer is to install portage and make a GUI Frontend

;)

The answer is to install portage and make a GUI Frontend

But then gen or funtoo would be a much better choice of system for him.

And thats what i want to know, which exact problem he'd see solved and why.

Yeah, it seems to be a problem which is solved by other things that already exist

And why it cant be solved by using funtoo or verifying srcrpms built trough docker against the fedora koji delivered packages.

This things sounds to me like the first time i tried to code in assembler of a hc908 microcontroller ? But i'm learning! haha

How time using linux you guys?

Me just 5 years. And always there's more and more to learn.

Just over two years for me. :)

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Just over a year, never actually run Fedora as a daily OS Though :P

Just over a year, never actually run Fedora as a daily OS Though :P

Until recently, I had only used Fedora for server stuffs. Lately I've had Fedora as my desktop driver for about a month and a half

Good!

Me just 5 years. And always there's more and more to learn.

8-10 years for me and yes, IT learning has no end.

8-10 years for me and yes, IT learning has no end.

It does have an end! It just happens to rhyme with breath ;)

If there was a Deepin spin, I'd use it for my laptop :D

8-10 years for me and yes, IT learning has no end.

You seem to know a lot. It's nice to read your arguments! ??

Until recently, I had only used Fedora for server stuffs. Lately I've had Fedora as my desktop driver for about a month and a half

Fedora as Server is rather uncommon tough to hear of, especially before desktop usage :P

Yeah, that's usually what RHEL Is for

Fedora as Server is rather uncommon tough to hear of, especially before desktop usage :P

I'm not typically a very practical person ?

Fedora as Server is rather uncommon tough to hear of, especially before desktop usage :P

*he says, running fedora server on all infrastructure of his own thats not his companies' with the occasional centos*

You seem to know a lot. It's nice to read your arguments! ??

Eh, just things that one gets to learn when diving into linux - altough i am weird enough to some people too, especially my coworker thay calls me crazy for compiling and installing coreboot but not compiling my kernels myself. XD

Eh, just things that one gets to learn when diving into linux - altough i am weird enough to some people too, especially my coworker thay calls me crazy for compiling and installing coreboot but not compiling my kernels myself. XD

Things that really happens ? Even one byself don't understand such things haha

But it's real.

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Eh, just things that one gets to learn when diving into linux - altough i am weird enough to some people too, especially my coworker thay calls me crazy for compiling and installing coreboot but not compiling my kernels myself. XD

To be honest, in my experience there's three kinds of people when it comes to functionality and performance, some prefer it in a simple way that requires a little bit of user input, then the ALL THE WORK For the gains and the third, the one that doesn't give a shit because it's not Libre

You seem like a pretty big mix of all three :P

To be honest, in my experience there's three kinds of people when it comes to functionality and performance, some prefer it in a simple way that requires a little bit of user input, then the ALL THE WORK For the gains and the third, the one that doesn't give a shit because it's not Libre

Which are you? ? I think i'm just the 2nd.

You seem like a pretty big mix of all three :P

Someone has to break all conventions after all - how else can we all achieve new things? :3

Which are you? ? I think i'm just the 2nd.

Second, for sure.

Second, for sure.

Nice choice ??

And yes, very strong on the third. To the point that i have bad feelings when i'm with someone who uses whatsapp or closed source services. But as coder its easy to find similar people. ^^

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LOL, I love that ?

And yes, very strong on the third. To the point that i have bad feelings when i'm with someone who uses whatsapp or closed source services. But as coder its easy to find similar people. ^^

I go with the idea that if it's Libre and it's benefits outweigh the downsides of the program then I'll compromise with it, some things sadly I do have to use that are proprietary

I go with the idea that if it's Libre and it's benefits outweigh the downsides of the program then I'll compromise with it, some things sadly I do have to use that are proprietary

Finding the middle line even with that things ??‍♂️

I need to learn LaTeX tbh, then I can ditch the MS Suite and use my own cloud service

I need to learn LaTeX tbh, then I can ditch the MS Suite and use my own cloud service

You can use your own cloud service without ms already - collabora.

You can use your own cloud service without ms already - collabora.

The reason I don't already is because of the fact I have to use the MS Product in the first place

The reason I don't already is because of the fact I have to use the MS Product in the first place

But why?

Microsoft sponsored college, you can imagine the hoops I have to jump through for certain things

MS Classrooms, groups etc

I hate that so much. Trying to hook them in young years so when they are older they are too used to it and want everything to work exactly like they are used to.

4.15 is now being come and I really need it.?In the Parabola or Uruk systems I would like to try it.?

4.15 is now being come and I really need it.?In the Parabola or Uruk systems I would like to try it.?

It's acutally fairly fast when it comes to booting

4.15-rc3 Startup finished in 2.784s (firmware) + 88ms (loader) + 1.713s (kernel) + 484ms (userspace) = 5.070s 4.14.3 Startup finished in 2.805s (firmware) + 87ms (loader) + 2.089s (kernel) + 573ms (userspace) = 5.554s 4.13.12 Startup finished in 2.727s (firmware) + 78ms (loader) + 2.361s (kernel) + 570ms (userspace) = 5.738s

@hd_scania So i want to play a game my little brother loves to play with me too. Imagine us starting with "I want to build a frontend for fedora that uses srcrpm and is like gentoo" Now, to make this short - can you make an answer that follows the scheme of you answering the followup question "But why, which problem is solved/Why do you do this" over and over until we can understand your thought process behind this and what exactly you want in the end?

Dnt worry I dnt wanna risk too much in Fedora, which I have parallel installed Parabola, TrueOS, Calculate, Sabayon alongside Fedora.? But does this also needs to be why Fedora stabilizes every 0.5 years??

4.15-rc3 Startup finished in 2.784s (firmware) + 88ms (loader) + 1.713s (kernel) + 484ms (userspace) = 5.070s 4.14.3 Startup finished in 2.805s (firmware) + 87ms (loader) + 2.089s (kernel) + 573ms (userspace) = 5.554s 4.13.12 Startup finished in 2.727s (firmware) + 78ms (loader) + 2.361s (kernel) + 570ms (userspace) = 5.738s

I have been in 4.14.8 kernel in 2 Linux-libre systems.?

Dnt worry I dnt wanna risk too much in Fedora, which I have parallel installed Parabola, TrueOS, Calculate, Sabayon alongside Fedora.? But does this also needs to be why Fedora stabilizes every 0.5 years??

Are you sure that vms wouldnt cut it as well? That'd save you heaps of work. And not stabilized. Fedora puts stability first, and some things like gnome take one big chunk of work and new libs that are best served aa full system upgrade instead of an incremental one.

Are you sure that vms wouldnt cut it as well? That'd save you heaps of work. And not stabilized. Fedora puts stability first, and some things like gnome take one big chunk of work and new libs that are best served aa full system upgrade instead of an incremental one.

VMS???Do you mean virtualizations like Xen or qEmu? Yes Im running NetBSD and OpenBSD virtually, and also willing to run Rawhide virtually.??

VMS???Do you mean virtualizations like Xen or qEmu? Yes Im running NetBSD and OpenBSD virtually, and also willing to run Rawhide virtually.??

All of these running in parallel? ?

All of these running in parallel? ?

My REAL hard drive is an GPT, which permits us to multiboot under ESP, an EFI partition.?

My REAL hard drive is an GPT, which permits us to multiboot under ESP, an EFI partition.?

Your abuse of the emojis it's really disturbing ? , i'm joking. I have never do that. Maybe i give it a try.

Oh

Your abuse of the emojis it's really disturbing ? , i'm joking. I have never do that. Maybe i give it a try.

Yes but some emoji fonts confuse this sun face.

Hello everyone!

Have somebody installed RocketChat to Fedora?

I have some issues with that

after installing RocketChat is working but after rebooting the system not working

Can somebody help me with it?

RocketChat was being wrought after installation, but is not wrought since the next reboot backing to the system??

yes

I want to make it properly hibernate and I wonder if dock will be a problem https://twitter.com/antonpaisov/status/946761687541182464

Sweet.

Thanks :)