Tobias... that's in German...

99% of sources i have need to be translated trough gtranslator :P

And then mostly likely won't understand a thing.

https://www.heise.de/developer/meldung/Microsoft-veroeffentlicht-Windows-Compatibility-Pack-fuer-NET-Core-3892367.html A full pack for .net core that is explicitely leaving out linux and mac

The package contains: CodeDOM, Data compression, r/w of file access rights, WCF web services and better integration with mssql

Google Translator is so odd....

Planned for that package are also caching, odbc, image manipulation and more - things that would very well be welcome on linux and mac.

Google Translator is so odd....

Do you watch Jimmy Fallon's show? There is even a game themed after it. (Try youtubing)

Mmmh... No... I don't know who's Jimmy Fallon....

Please do YouTube search for Jimmy Fallon + songs + google translate...

Okay. I wikk

The package contains: CodeDOM, Data compression, r/w of file access rights, WCF web services and better integration with mssql

ehem win32 compatibility of those things

mssql anyway wont run on linux

this is just for compatibility porting from an existing windows stack

mssql anyway wont run on linux

It does

for all intensive purposes, everything you need is available for linux and mac

Mssql 2017 is available as a works-on-linux version

and windows compatibility pack isnt part of dotnet core

its a nuget package

so your point still doesnt make sense

for all intensive purposes, everything you need is available for linux and mac

They already started making it windows only in some places anyway and all gui frameworks in .net arent crossplatform either.

They already started making it windows only in some places anyway and all gui frameworks in .net arent crossplatform either.

no they havent

not at all

and dotnet core has no gui frameworks as of yet

And with microsoft reputation ruined for me anyway

I mean even if they were the saviour of modern linux i'd reject them still.

And with microsoft reputation ruined for me anyway

yes but thats your bias

doesnt make dotnet core any less cross platform than it is

nor does that nuget package

yes but thats your bias

Yes.

But i still hate most things microsoft is doing right now, including mssql on some kind of compat layer

you dont need to use mssql

theres a postgres nuget package

also https://github.com/noliar/DevZH.UI is a ui framework with dotnet core bindings

i used mongodb on my last project

with nginx

Or i just use any other language that is versatile, fast and crossplatform.

i used mongodb on my last project

Mongodb has downsides in every aspect tough - by default its far from crashsafe and if you make it cassandra and elastic outperform it.

Mongodb has downsides in every aspect tough - by default its far from crashsafe and if you make it cassandra and elastic outperform it.

Not really the point of my argument

Or i just use any other language that is versatile, fast and crossplatform.

So is dotnet core though

So is dotnet core though

But unlike go, ruby and pyhton its neither tested, widely deployed, has not a shitton of uses like making cheap go servers available for hosting with ftp access and and and.

But unlike go, ruby and pyhton its neither tested, widely deployed, has not a shitton of uses like making cheap go servers available for hosting with ftp access and and and.

It has nuget and is decently deployed and does very well for performance compared to competing languages

It's ms so it has great tooling and support

And unlike all three other languages the makers of those dont have an incentive to lock it down to their environment once it has enough followers and applications depending on it - not that'd pulling that would be a first time for ms.

It has its place

And unlike all three other languages the makers of those dont have an incentive to lock it down to their environment once it has enough followers and applications depending on it - not that'd pulling that would be a first time for ms.

This is just your bias against ms again

This is just your bias against ms again

Which has proven itself time and time again tough.

Not with dotnet

Its like net neutrality, we have clear arguments for distrusting them and making very sure the community and not ms gets to make the main calls.

Since they committed to open source and bought out Xamarin, they have worked with the community

I still cant see an open source xamarin toolchain.

xamarin-android/README.md at master · xamarin/xamarin-android · GitHub https://github.com/xamarin/xamarin-android/blob/master/README.md

Riddle me why f-droid cant build xamarin projects because the compiler is still closed source then?

Which is the case with the main Keepass application for android.

Riddle me why f-droid cant build xamarin projects because the compiler is still closed source then?

Mono is open source

And so is rosalyn

Rosalyn is their current gen compiler

That was probably outdated info

Mono is open source

The full chain from xamarin mobile project to final apk is not free of: patents closed source licenses licensing fees.

That was probably outdated info

Then i'd see keepass main on their store, wouldn't i?

The full chain from xamarin mobile project to final apk is not free of: patents closed source licenses licensing fees.

Xamarin had licensing fees

Xamarin had licensing fees

had?

Ms bought it and made it free

I still dont see keepass on fdroid.

had?

Yes had

I still dont see keepass on fdroid.

Maybe because at the time it wasn't free

Maybe because at the time it wasn't free

They track project progress.

So?

ERROR: S client not available

Find me the current licensing cost of Xamarin and prove me wrong

Don't give me second hand information

Maybe because at the time it wasn't free

No, because it's not an android app

Use keepass2android

No, because it's not an android app

Xamarin forms is also free

So is Xamarin ios and mac

Find me the current licensing cost of Xamarin and prove me wrong

Meh, its not like i care - i'll just avoid using and promoting anything that contains traces of mono, c# and .net even if core.

Meh, its not like i care - i'll just avoid using and promoting anything that contains traces of mono, c# and .net even if core.

And that's fine, just point out that it's your bias toward ms

And only when microsoft hands over management and future direction to a community board that they sit under then i'll eye it further.

And that's fine, just point out that it's your bias toward ms

Entirely justified and historically backed bias.

And only when microsoft hands over management and future direction to a community board that they sit under then i'll eye it further.

F# is community manager iirc

Entirely justified and historically backed bias.

Not with dotnet

Not with dotnet

Whats different this time? What makes them the messiah that shines his glory light onto us all and saves us from all those evil languages that work so shittily apparently that dotnet was so direly needed.

Whats different this time? What makes them the messiah that shines his glory light onto us all and saves us from all those evil languages that work so shittily apparently that dotnet was so direly needed.

It's hard to take a way something that was once open source

Especially something that has a big active community that would readily maintain it

I don't need to trust ms to trust that dotnet will remain open

It's hard to take a way something that was once open source

Not for microsoft - make it closed source, dcma the original repo, battle over it with the eff and gnu-violations for a few years and happily sue everyone into submission or using the newer version thats not free - they can just sit it out and if dotnet gains any serious traction they'll just smile and see everyone move over that isnt hard-set on open source.

If it won't, ill be one of the guys working on an open source version of it because I love the design of the clr

And com

And some of the things Anders hjelsberg did with c#

And com

You like the design of COM?

Not for microsoft - make it closed source, dcma the original repo, battle over it with the eff and gnu-violations for a few years and happily sue everyone into submission or using the newer version thats not free - they can just sit it out and if dotnet gains any serious traction they'll just smile and see everyone move over that isnt hard-set on open source.

They didn't do that with mono

You like the design of COM?

Yes

Well, i dont think we'll ever get onto a green twig.

Not for microsoft - make it closed source, dcma the original repo, battle over it with the eff and gnu-violations for a few years and happily sue everyone into submission or using the newer version thats not free - they can just sit it out and if dotnet gains any serious traction they'll just smile and see everyone move over that isnt hard-set on open source.

Ms had the opportunity to squish mono ages ago

This is a fact

They had the legal stuff

They didnt

They helped out mono for a while too

It never supported WPF, which made it not feasible as target for most current windows applications.

So they had nothing to fear from it.

It never supported WPF, which made it not feasible as target for most current windows applications.

Ms loses nothing having non wpf apps written for windows