Google has sent back cell tower location even if you explicitely disabled the functionality. Are you okay with that?

Yeah... I am. I get the sensitive privacy concerns, but not everyone cares tbh.

Are you in control of it?

No, and I don't need to be.

No, and I don't need to be.

Then dont say you are in control of your phone - you are okay with what it does

You are not in control

Hah

I love the crusade ?

Crusade?

Something Something heresy

Ironically, speaking about whether you're in control or not, it's fun to see people try and define the bounds of another person's experience.

For you, all of that may be true. For me, it is not.

This is a matter of easy definition - if you were in control you could disable things and trust them to be disabled. You are not.

For you, all of that may be true. For me, it is not.

You still cannot be in control of your phone and data. That you dont give a shit that it does what it does doesnt make you in control.

This is a matter of easy definition - if you were in control you could disable things and trust them to be disabled. You are not.

And I don't need to be, nor do I even have an intent to. Not in the case of data mining.

And I don't need to be, nor do I even have an intent to. Not in the case of data mining.

You'd make a lovely advocate for surveillance of the people then :P

But no thanks :P

Heh. I never had thought about international usage when I had the iPhone, or at least, not in depth. I imagine it probably was heavily biased to a native English speaker though.

You can configure Siri to any language and accent. Well, almost. I didn't find a Siri speaking with a Texan or a cockney accent ? But the problem is, that once you configured Siri to speak a certain language it doesn't understand words in other, even if they are places. So it's very annoying because I'm entitled to speak British English and yet travel to Sweden or Portugal to say something. But it's the same with any language. Put it to speak in German and won't understand a British city.

You still cannot be in control of your phone and data. That you dont give a shit that it does what it does doesnt make you in control.

Control is not all-inclusive. I don't need to manage every aspect in my device to be in control of it. I only need to manage what I, and I alone, need to manage.

Control is not all-inclusive. I don't need to manage every aspect in my device to be in control of it. I only need to manage what I, and I alone, need to manage.

It is the defintion of control - again, you are okay with what your device does and you accept its terms, conditions and things it does.

And thats fine if it works for you

But dont go around pretending to be in control of something you are not.

It is the defintion of control - again, you are okay with what your device does and you accept its terms, conditions and things it does.

And I assume you strip down the kernel of everything you don't need, manage all of your traffic, and everything else manually?

You can work with it, you can use it and you dont care. But by definition you're not in control of what it does.

And I assume you strip down the kernel of everything you don't need, manage all of your traffic, and everything else manually?

Add things you do?

But dont go around pretending to be in control of something you are not.

What about driving a car?^^

And I assume you strip down the kernel of everything you don't need, manage all of your traffic, and everything else manually?

Adblock, Afwall, constantly online vpn, lineageOS. Yes.

What about driving a car?^^

2 more years tesla gonna take the control of it from us too lol

But dont go around pretending to be in control of something you are not.

I can go about this all day. You don't define how I use my device because you're not the one using it. I'm in control of my device. It may not be to the extent you are, but it doesn't change my situation. Welcome to perspective.

What about driving a car?^^

The electronic systems take so much from your mind that you're not in control even of how a car breaks - an electronic assistant already tries to guess if it needs to break harder.

I can go about this all day. You don't define how I use my device because you're not the one using it. I'm in control of my device. It may not be to the extent you are, but it doesn't change my situation. Welcome to perspective.

Not perspective.

Definition of being in control of it.

You are not but you can use it for your daily life perfectly.

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And thats lovely and i dont mind you doing it. But you are not in control of what it does.

No one is ever in full control of anything.

No one is ever in full control of anything.

What is a rooted user on Lineage not in control of?

Or heck, whats a replicant user not in control of? They can build their own freaking kernel if they wanted.

And purism librem 5 - if it ever makes it beyond a prototype - could be a fully in control phone with lte

Full control would include absolute access and command of every single aspect at any single given point in time. You control it to the extent you wish. That's just it.

Full control would include absolute access and command of every single aspect at any single given point in time. You control it to the extent you wish. That's just it.

How is that not the case?

Unless you can control matter and time as well... It isn't.

Unless you can control matter and time as well... It isn't.

C'mon

Control is literally non-existent. It's an extent. It's as controlled as it can be.

Unless you can control matter and time as well... It isn't.

Stop.

No, I'm serious. The point is that my extent of control doesn't include anything root offers me.

That doesn't mean I'm not in control of it.

Okay. *Control over your data, how it is handled, how your phone sends data to others and how its os performs, which apps you can install ect ect.

It just means I have no intention to do so.

And *Control of when a toggle actually means something

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No, I'm serious. The point is that my extent of control doesn't include anything root offers me.

Because there are things of your phone you can't control and you are fine with all those

which was the freaking point fine for you but dont say you are in control of your phone - only on control of the extents of your phone you care about.

Because there are things of your phone you can't control and you are fine with all those

Sure. But that's an extent, once again.

This absolute attitude is completely unrealistic.

Let's put it this way: We don't need to be in control of everything but having the choice to influcence it without adding unneeded barriers would be nice

No one is ever in full control of anything.

About that.... Nobody except a Gentoo user.

About that.... Nobody except a Gentoo user.

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This absolute attitude is completely unrealistic.

Its not. If i disable the location cell tower data sent to google i expect it hold true.

This is true for lineage users.

Not for everyone else

This absolute attitude is completely unrealistic.

its not, a user should be able to control their data and device to whatever they wish.

Its not. If i disable the location cell tower data sent to google i expect it hold true.

Cool. And if I plan on doing that, I'll be sure to make the appropriate changes.

About that.... Nobody except a Gentoo user.

Arch?

its not, a user should be able to control their data and device to whatever they wish.

And I'm fully capable of doing so.

Un-rooted and manufacturer android is far, far from that.

And I'm fully capable of doing so.

We're going in circles and neither of us will accept the others arguments even a little bit. Lets stop.

Arch?

A bit less. They don't compile everything from scratch.

It was a good discussion

too bad I didn't have popcorns :(

We're going in circles and neither of us will accept the others arguments even a little bit. Lets stop.

Oke

too bad I didn't have popcorns :(

Oh, I still have a bag if you want.

/me looks for a way to make them keep up the discussion until the popcorn is over ?