Whatever happens to them

But maybe I'm too pedantic ^^

a bit, honestly

I totally get your point

and it's cool when somebody provides a description to their links, but I don't think it's a big issue if somebody does not

and it's cool when somebody provides a description to their links, but I don't think it's a big issue if somebody does not

True. It was a bit funny because above the link @jflory wrote: "Please don't post URLs without explanation that are unrelated to Fedora. Thanks." And this maybe got me :D Didn't want to offend anyone ^^

yeah that was ironic, but I think in @jflory's case it was spam while the firebase article might've actually interested somebody here

True. It was a bit funny because above the link @jflory wrote: "Please don't post URLs without explanation that are unrelated to Fedora. Thanks." And this maybe got me :D Didn't want to offend anyone ^^

The earlier link was some sort of random Twitch stream recording on a weird website

I need to set IP and ports foward via nat

I need to set IP and ports foward via nat

netstat -np

I need to set IP and ports foward via nat

Sorry

Hello Everybody

Alguien en español

Saludos

Alguien en español

This is an English speaking group, you can find other languages in the pinned message, like @fedoraesp ?

ping @michel_slm https://github.com/zealdocs/zeal/releases/tag/v0.4.0

ping @michel_slm https://github.com/zealdocs/zeal/releases/tag/v0.4.0

I prefer devdocs.io (also offline)

Hey, possible install to fedora 26 latest Intel microcode, also known as intel-ucode? Sorry for bad English

Hey, possible install to fedora 26 latest Intel microcode, also known as intel-ucode? Sorry for bad English

Acording to: https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/26925/Linux-Processor-Microcode-Data-File Fedora 24 worked on it, so I see no reason why Fedora 26 shouldn't

Hey, possible install to fedora 26 latest Intel microcode, also known as intel-ucode? Sorry for bad English

What's your mean

Oh, thanks

Acording to: https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/26925/Linux-Processor-Microcode-Data-File Fedora 24 worked on it, so I see no reason why Fedora 26 shouldn't

How to install this ? Arch Linux have aur.?

Just replace file in bootloader?

Just replace file in bootloader?

you don't have to install anything of it. When I saw it correct that are compiler specs

How to install this ? Arch Linux have aur.?

You dont need to do anything at all.

dmesg | grep micro

Fedora will package and ship updated microcode in the next kernel versions.

How to install this ? Arch Linux have aur.?

AUR is a big collection of shit...

Yap, I use ArchLinux and I know what I say :)

AUR is the equivalent of copr right?

and ppa

AUR is a big collection of shit...

you're welcome to do better

AUR is the equivalent of copr right?

AUR is the Arch User Repository.

AUR is the equivalent of copr right?

somewhat, AUR is 1 repo while Copr and PPAs are separate repos

you're welcome to do better

Well, there are some maintainers of Arch community repository. They collect the best and the most popular AUR packages and maintain them.

somewhat, AUR is 1 repo while Copr and PPAs are separate repos

oh. that's convenient...

Well, there are some maintainers of Arch community repository. They collect the best and the most popular AUR packages and maintain them.

right

doesn't mean the rest of the packages are shit though

doesn't mean the rest of the packages are shit though

The rest of AUR or community?

AUR, you said that it's a heap of shit

Yap

Just try to use it.

i mean, quality of Coprs and PPAs won't be much better generally

Just try to use it.

i've used arch for years, no issues with most packages

in fact i wish there was a viable alternative for fedora

i've used arch for years, no issues with most packages

For me, too, but there are several issues. 1) A lot of 404. 2) Sometimes you need to fix PKGBUILD. 3) Uh oh, always read all install scripts.

(and no, Coprs aren't the same)

For me, too, but there are several issues. 1) A lot of 404. 2) Sometimes you need to fix PKGBUILD. 3) Uh oh, always read all install scripts.

right, so contribute to fix those packages

that's what the AUR is about, user contributed packages

standing from the sideline and saying it's shit isn't going to help anybody

right, so contribute to fix those packages

I'm too inexperienced for this :)

Using Linux only for month.

I'm too inexperienced for this :)

even making a comment on the packages helps the maintainers fix them, you don't even need to touch the code

(in fact, do Coprs allow comments? i've not used them that much)

even making a comment on the packages helps the maintainers fix them, you don't even need to touch the code

That's how the power of community works.

That's how the power of community works.

right, my point. i'm just saying it's ungrounded to say it's shit if you're not willing to help them fix their 'shit'

right, my point. i'm just saying it's ungrounded to say it's shit if you're not willing to help them fix their 'shit'

No its not.

standing from the sideline and saying it's shit isn't going to help anybody

I actually agree with this. It's part of the tech culture and newcomers just adopt it. Part of the problem, part of the solution.

You can judge things without immediately trying to better the world. You may have a better alternative or not the ability to improve it.

You can judge things without immediately trying to better the world. You may have a better alternative or not the ability to improve it.

you can judge things, sure. the inability to improve things doesn't really fly with stuff like the AUR since it's open to virtually anybody

you can judge things, sure. the inability to improve things doesn't really fly with stuff like the AUR since it's open to virtually anybody

Thats one of its problems.

I actually agree with this. It's part of the tech culture and newcomers just adopt it. Part of the problem, part of the solution.

I'm a noob too, and I didn't get to try arch yet :P so I have a little say in this

and also one of its strengths

The AUR is a security risk, a legacy pile of software risk, a unmaintable risk and and and and

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The AUR is a security risk, a legacy pile of software risk, a unmaintable risk and and and and

how many Coprs aren't maintained nowadays? a lot as well

And since half of archs guides at some point go "its in the AUR = Its in arch" doesnt make it better

can user created packages in Coprs be trusted? no, they cannot either

how many Coprs aren't maintained nowadays? a lot as well

So? Copr lists explicit compatibility versions of software.

And software that is not supported either has made its way into the central repos, rpmfusion or is apparently not worth it to enough people to justify it.

And since half of archs guides at some point go "its in the AUR = Its in arch" doesnt make it better

Arch's guides help you to getting the software installed and working, whether it's in the repos or in the AUR isn't relevant for the guides

So? Copr lists explicit compatibility versions of software.

that's not possible to achieve with Arch because it's rolling

can user created packages in Coprs be trusted? no, they cannot either

And there is a higher level of trust - and removal of malicious software.

And there is a higher level of trust - and removal of malicious software.

same thing exists in the AUR

Arch's guides help you to getting the software installed and working, whether it's in the repos or in the AUR isn't relevant for the guides

It should be

that's not possible to achieve with Arch because it's rolling

It is if you said "after date x this will not work because it depends on y breaking z"

same thing exists in the AUR

Not to such a high level of scrutiny.

It should be

no, if I want to set up, I don't know, Teamviewer, I look up the guide on Teamviewer, which tells me how to install Teamviewer. the guide exists because there are packages in the AUR providing Teamviewer

And then as fedora user you have the pleasure that huge parts of software one could need are already available as part of the core, in rmpfusion or from negativo.

Not to such a high level of scrutiny.

packages get reported, you can't tell me that Fedora maintainers look over every Copr package every week

And then as fedora user you have the pleasure that huge parts of software one could need are already available as part of the core, in rmpfusion or from negativo.

there are plenty of trusted custom repos for Arch too

no, if I want to set up, I don't know, Teamviewer, I look up the guide on Teamviewer, which tells me how to install Teamviewer. the guide exists because there are packages in the AUR providing Teamviewer

And in Fedora you have a hell of a time doing so because countless security measures exist against random software looking at and sending all your screen content away as a service.

Especially teamviewer.

packages get reported, you can't tell me that Fedora maintainers look over every Copr package every week

They look at it when a report comes in.

And in Fedora you have a hell of a time doing so because countless security measures exist against random software looking at and sending all your screen content away as a service.

right, Arch doesn't employ these measures because it's up to the user to decide on those things, it's a DIY project

They look at it when a report comes in.

same as Arch

Good evening, everybody. :)

And the comparison copr <=> AUR is only kinda fair because, again, most of the software you'd need aur for is on rpmfusion.

And the comparison copr <=> AUR is only kinda fair because, again, most of the software you'd need aur for is on rpmfusion.

I'm willing to bet most of RPMFusion's software is in [community]

right, Arch doesn't employ these measures because it's up to the user to decide on those things, it's a DIY project

And Fedora is a professional community project under watchful eyes of redhat and laws.

I probably should not have mentioned aur☺️

I'm willing to bet most of RPMFusion's software is in [community]

There is no "community" branch in rpm.

And Fedora is a professional community project under watchful eyes of redhat and laws.

right, your point?

Let's just calm down a little. :)

right, your point?

You can from the base level expect much higher standards overall.