Microsoft too

No I think.Indian youtubers are better than microbesoft bots

I can't stand the accent. :(

I get distracted by it

I can't stand the accent. :(

"Oh my goodness, have you heard about Mrs. Patel next door? She dyed her hair purple! Can you imagine? At her age, too! I bet her husband is mortified." - No offence, indian myself lol

No I think.Indian youtubers are better than microbesoft bots

Not really. They talk a lot

https://youtube.com/@nirlichtman?feature=shared The best videos I've seen from an Aussie:

"Oh my goodness, have you heard about Mrs. Patel next door? She dyed her hair purple! Can you imagine? At her age, too! I bet her husband is mortified." - No offence, indian myself lol

Make a tutorial to focus on what indians say rather than getting carried by the accent!

Make a tutorial to focus on what indians say rather than getting carried by the accent!

Nope

And before anyone claims I'm a jackass... I am Italian!

Nope

How dare you??? :(

How dare you??? :(

Bowie mi heed 2 u sir

Bowie mi heed 2 u sir

What did Bowie do?

What did Bowie do?

errie gud sire

errie gud sire

That's Stronghold's advisor!

Anyways, what's the state of Rust and Golang in FreeBSD Current? Anyone into this kind of madness?

I think golang is fully supported in freebsd.

Hoping pwsh 7 gets support.... it may now but when i check last it didn't.

I think golang is fully supported in freebsd.

so is rust

so are zig, D and a bunch of others

so is rust

I don't think so. Rustup doesn't support FreeBSD as host system for cross compilation

While Golang does

native binaries build like a charm

native binaries build like a charm

Oh yeah

what "oh yeah"?

what "oh yeah"?

Nothing..

Microsoft too

for c# maybe...

compared to all other c# documentation :D

Hi. Why isnt possible to install fbsd on a external ssd/hdd (connected via usb)?

for all i know that should be possible provided the external ssd is recognized by bios and partitoned correctly

when i started tinkering with freebsd i had installed on an external drive without any problems

https://www.theregister.com/2024/11/16/rusthaters_unite_filc/ 🤔

https://www.theregister.com/2024/11/16/rusthaters_unite_filc/ 🤔

Well, I have no words

Looks like C is getting sysvinit treatment lol

Golang getting OpenRC treatment

Zig getting runit treatment

rust sucks

Rust is a piece of shit but memory C fork is an absurd idea imo.

First of all, Rust does not feel like trying to replace C at all. Nobody claims it officially.

First of all, Rust does not feel like trying to replace C at all. Nobody claims it officially.

but everyone likes rewriting everything in rust, tho. I mean, I thought this was a meme, but this is a reality

but everyone likes rewriting everything in rust, tho. I mean, I thought this was a meme, but this is a reality

I've noticed that there are some commonalities between the bitcoin community, Linux community, Rust community and Tesla drivers

I've noticed that there are some commonalities between the bitcoin community, Linux community, Rust community and Tesla drivers

those might be crossing, btw

Rust is not a C replacement

C is a portable assembly. Coding in safe Rust feels more like coding in Haskell style with C++ RAII than in C. You call a bunch of namespaces, and associated functions to do your task and that's it. In C, you basically visualise registers on your mind. Your mind lives inside there, while still automate heap allocation/deallocation with malloc/free black magic functions to minimise fragmentation. I do write both Rust and C (never used C++ in my entire life) but rust feels a bit like functional C++ in terms of ergonomics

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the problem is here (i modified the image)

Rewriting everything is Rust is absurdity tbh. Maybe a good learning experience but that's it

our C folks are able to write safe C

our C folks are able to write safe C

Honestly, safety comes from a smaller simpler software footprint. Smart developers start small and stay small

The moment you start to write Software to please users, you are calling for problems

The moment you start to write Software to please users, you are calling for problems

I'd replace 'to please users' with 'to allow unqualified users to begin developers' It's obvious. If you mess up the pointers, you will mess up everything else which is not less important

C is a portable assembly, which means instead of writing in assembly, you'll write it in C. The problem happens when you start to write a huge chunk of code in C (like desktop GUI or complex filesystem in C, you are looking at unmaintainable mess(

I'd replace 'to please users' with 'to allow unqualified users to begin developers' It's obvious. If you mess up the pointers, you will mess up everything else which is not less important

People use pointers in C to show elitism these days, I've noticed

Like pointers to a pointer that's pointing to a function that's passed to another function as a reference that's pointing to structure lol

Then they cry: UNSAFE C

the problem is here (i modified the image)

ah yes, where is the place of 'Safe Rust'? :D

sure, C is unsafe because our underlying hardware is unsafe

C has no abstraction, Rust has it, but without losing performance

People use pointers in C to show elitism these days, I've noticed

LOL

People use pointers in C to show elitism these days, I've noticed

its like shortcut to the mention of 'memory' but if I mention just 'memory' its not obvious that I'm about raw sort of it

any language interacts with memory in some way..

any language interacts with memory in some way..

Sure, but you pay the cost with syscall overheads

Now that's not a bad thing, but a trade-off

For small 1000 lines or less, C is more than enough. Above that, the performance requirement industry is very narrow (games, flight controller, firmware drivers etc)

For example, with Golang, it's possible to reduce stress on GC by using preallocated heap whenever necessary and things like that. Sure that will piss off some users but ya

LOL

Yup, like this just for printing hello world http://0x0.st/X5ZL.c

Like pointers to a pointer that's pointing to a function that's passed to another function as a reference that's pointing to structure lol

^^

C cannot be fully replaced with either C++ or Rust so far

it's just an ideal balance of simplicity and performance as for lowlevel cross-platform imperative language

No Is the same as c replaced with basic

not entirely in safe rust lots of unsafe connectors and unsafe api

why either so care about safety, there are lots other properties, c'mon

Replace for what? What will you do after that?

One can use Rust, use whatever crates they can use to build large scale applications. Those who are dealing with systems of 20kb of RAM, C does more than sufficient

Or use Golang. I've seen people using tinygo to write obscure kernels already by taking stress out of GC. If there's no garbage to collect, then it's not doing anything lol

As these GC will improve (Go's concurrent garbage collector is so fast that it can even beat C in some aspects like cryptographic hash), we'll see people moving towards such languages

C is a portable assembly. When you write C, you are still writing assembly in some form with the black magic automation of malloc and free on your side

Well if you go unsafe rust side, yeah it's better than C but why bother lol

unsafe rust is good if you need to access lower level stuff like root check etc casually

Yup, like this just for printing hello world http://0x0.st/X5ZL.c

There it is

Yes, a C code with 1000 lines or less will have bugs and will face memory undefined behaviour issues, which can be maintained and patched easily. With 10000+ lines of code? That's atleast 500k lines of assembly (even after removing all sorts of compiler symbols). Will you handwrite that much assembly? Nope. C is a portable assembly. Don't do anything in C you'll not do in assembly

Complex problems need complex tools. That's why I love journalctl -xe instead of tons of pipes grep sed awk to read long files