well thats good for you

Not yet I think

Are you the boys that keep whacking off in my tool shed?

FAT32 is now totally legally *patent free* filesystem format

FAT32 is now totally legally *patent free* filesystem format

[citation needed]

FAT32 is now totally legally *patent free* filesystem format

Really?

What's your reasoning?

What's your reasoning?

ReactOS is free replacement to Windows. And as far I know windows by default uses NTFS. So, I can just install react without formatting my disk. And I can continue using my apps and games without reinstall

You should always reinstall

Hell, wipe disk after every 90 days as rule of thumb

[citation needed]

========================================= FAT32 patent expiry in year 2016 *main argument evidence/reference*: all FAT32 related patents are listed at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table#Patents if you calculate from all those patents , it comes as 2016. =============================================

============================================= *just supporting comment:* reactos forum talk by webunny in year "2014" that https://www.reactos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=106622&sid=5c79bedee744fbb9c68972cd9f92c51a The patent for FAT32 expires in 2016 ------------ *just supporting comment:* http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24373775 comment by "Happysin" in year 2013 that Don't forget that the core FAT patent expires in 2016. MS won't have a lot of its leverage around FAT for much longer. There is definitely limited scope on what MS can do with it. Perhaps once it expires it can be adopted at a standard proper, instead of just a de facto one. ----------------- *just supporting comment:* http://www.eevblog.com/forum/projects/fat32-long-filename-license/msg851388/#msg851388 Doesn't the patent expire soon if it hasn't already expired? Yes, not easy to understand if you are not an expert in the field (and I'm surely not!) but either they both expired in 2013 or one did in 2015 and one is going to in 2016... :-// =============================================

Based on this *preliminary information* , some legal person can further investigate but i myself checked each patent on fat32 individually which was listed at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table#Patents , and myself too came to this conclusion only

Are there any patents not listed? Are there any patents filed in any other country which could be of a legal encumbrance elsewhere?

There's a reason patent encumbrance determinations within a single organisation or company often take multiple teams of highly paid patent lawyers.

And I don't know about you, but I don't think any of us have a million dollars or so to pay for that kind of legal work.

I can see your fear. Microsoft and Tomtom had legal fight over FAT32 in year "2009", in which tomtom had to take license from microsoft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Corp._v._TomTom_Inc.

BUT BUT

But in year 2012, see How fat32 long file names patent was bypassed in linux kernel's vfat driver in year 2012 itself comment on http://www.eevblog.com/forum/projects/fat32-long-filename-license/ Not completely true, Linux community cared enough to have the vfat driver patched specifically to avoid infringing the two Microsoft patents about long file names in FAT. The trick is that either a long file name or a short one is stored for a file, never both at the same time (with some compatibility limitations).

for details see Linux kernel mailing list link https://lkml.org/lkml/2009/6/26/314 (very authoritative link) They say that they have taken full legal review from many lawyers, and they implemented this in year 2012 itself

Please please do read fully https://lkml.org/lkml/2009/6/26/314

Yes, but that's a non-compliant implementation that's not guaranteed to work

I don't need to read fully, I already read a technical summary

☺

If you want to bypass patents with nonconformant implementation tricks, don't be surprised when your implementation leads to data loss for end users when they attempt to use their storage media with compliant and validating implementations.

Or, in short, don't get upset when your legal hack causes chkdsk on Windows to delete someone's files.

On Android devices, a fully compliant FAT32 driver is used and patent license fees are paid to Microsoft because of this very real potential of data loss.

hmm.... conclusion: 1)in my view US patents expire in 2016,as much i could see 2) in india, my home country, software patents are not legal anyway 3) i can not say about any hidden patent in any other country, which you asked

In India, people poop on the train tracks

hey that was bad

our entire conversation was polite

In the European Union, Microsoft holds a patent on the progress bar.

EP 394160

this was first unwarranted unrelated smelly comment on this reactos group. still, i wish reactos community is mature enough to have mature discussion without personal and unrelated insults

================ in year 1700,india share of world GDP was "27%" of entire world as per British economists. india became independent in 1947, it was just 3% of entire world GDP ==>>india was made poor by colonial rulers. ------------------- in 'india and other developing countries', the 'below poverty line'(BPL), ie poor people do go for toilet outside in fields, it does not mean entire india. Govt has mission program around that for poor people and so far built 8 million toilets for poors. There are lacunas in each country, and each country progresses by coming up from those lacunas ---------- and we have progressed a lot since indenpendence: india is fastest growing major economy of entire world, beating china http://money.cnn.com/2016/08/31/news/economy/india-economy-gdp-narendra-modi/ ============================

i need talk about other things in which india is today worlds number 1

and i close the matter here itself

so that this reactos forum does not become chat about world economics

Tanenbaum has spent 6'500'000 $ on minix

http://m.cacm.acm.org/magazines/2016/3/198874-lessons-learned-from-30-years-of-minix/fulltext

Tanenbaum has spent 6'500'000 $ on minix

It's doubtful that ReactOS can do things the Minix way while still being Windows-compatible at every level.

is the poll closed?

is the poll closed?

Yes

fucc

which one won

ntfs :(

Please please do read fully https://lkml.org/lkml/2009/6/26/314

#readlist

Hell, wipe disk after every 90 days as rule of thumb

Windows isn't a very uniform platform, and it's recommended you regularly wipe and reinstall for peak performance

Windows isn't a very uniform platform, and it's recommended you regularly wipe and reinstall for peak performance

I use Windows only for gaming, probably once a week. The only time it writes to disk is at installations and game data save. To get the best performance I don't use any antivirus software and I don't browse the web in it.

Antivirus is only needed for stupid people, in my opinion

Haven't used any in years and never have had a virus

Haven't used any in years and never have had a virus

If you don't plug USB thumbdrives from other people or use your own with unknown machines, then I guess you could be relatively safe.

That part is easy, disable autorun

But all machines in my school's computer lab are full of malware, and all the students spread the shit.

So you can't remain clean for too long.

I use Linux anyways, so I don't mind. :v

What are you, a high school student?

Windoze is strictly for gaming. Anything else can be done elsewhere.

But shouldn't

You'll understand one day

What are you, a high school student?

I'm far beyond highschool but that's worse. Old people are even more careless about their hardware, and know even less about protection.

But shouldn't

Shouldn't what?

Be done on other OSes, obviously

Be done on other OSes, obviously

Why not?

I have the same tools to do the same job. It makes no difference, except I don't have to worry about Windows malware.

Because Windows does it best, you'll understand after ~10 years of Linux

Or Windows' stupid way of ruinning the pendrives.

Guess what, I use Windows, I don't have to worry about Windows malware either!

Because Windows does it best, you'll understand after ~10 years of Linux

lol...Yeah, right. :v

Guess what, I use Windows, I don't have to worry about Windows malware either!

Because so far you didn't plug any infected drive on your machine.

Yeah, even then, it wouldn't just "give malware"

Do you go randomly clicking EXEs on flash drives?

Especially ones without cryptographic signatures?

Do you go randomly clicking EXEs on flash drives?

Do you think malware is always a win32 executable? -_-

Think? No, that suggests opinion.

There's malware that infects the pendrives at firmware level. I already lost one because of that.

That seems quite difficult to pull off, given there's more models of storage controllers for flash drives than models of mobile phones

And every time you read or write it makes a copy of itself, because it sits right there, where it will always run through normal I/O operations.