Hmm. They did not take over the account as in "hacking Telegram " but by exploiting the flaws known to SMS

Which also NSA or I could do

Just required the equipment and I could get the code

Which also NSA or I could do

Thats the problem with the SMS. Its a known issue. Thats why 2FA exists in Telegram per se.

@Cardiak Your wish to use whatever you want. Thats not the problem but please know for sure that if you have to be targeted, you will be. For a vast majority, this fear mongering doesn’t help.

Thats the problem with the SMS. Its a known issue. Thats why 2FA exists in Telegram per se.

But the point is, the allegedly secure chat stored secret chat in plain text and didn't respond when zimperium reached to them

So far, this is a quiet nice chat platform. Most of us are settled after a long search. We don’t want to upset the little ecosystem we have.

But the point is, the allegedly secure chat stored secret chat in plain text and didn't respond when zimperium reached to them

So? big deal?

So? big deal?

Yes

Maybe for you.

Really fking big if you are calling yourself secure

3 years!!!

Group chats and normal DMs aren't secure at all

But then there's secret chat that should be most secure thing ever

And it stores text in plain

Really fking big if you are calling yourself secure

Nope. I am not calling myself “secure”. Its private. If you don’t know the difference, you really need to go back to where we started

Nope. I am not calling myself “secure”. Its private. If you don’t know the difference, you really need to go back to where we started

Telegram is calling itself secure

But then there's secret chat that should be most secure thing ever

Fine. Use Signal. We’ll agree to disagree

Yet there's no encryption on normal chats

Okay

And secret chat stores plain text

Fine. Use Signal. We’ll agree to disagree

So you think telegram is secure?

Doesn’t matter to me. Really.

Doesn’t matter to me. Really.

You can't have privacy without security

Because its a group here where we just hang out. Discuss stuff.

And I tolerate you !! I am sure you tolerate me as well.

I dont care what Telegram does. You’ve made your point.

No whatsapp don't store chat in plain text ...

And I tolerate you !! I am sure you tolerate me as well.

I don't tolerate telegram calling itself secure

Wickr all the way

https://core.telegram.org/api/end-to-end

https://core.telegram.org/mtproto

I don't tolerate telegram calling itself secure

Alright. Cool!!

Wickr all the way

Lol! Okay!!

I don't tolerate telegram calling itself secure

It's not secure but it's better than other current solutions without features it provides

Wickr all the way

Signal and XMPP

Signal and XMPP

For those who need security!

For those who need security!

So for everyone

Signal and XMPP

Signal is good for one on one groups are still messy..

Where does Telegram store the data tho?

Where does Telegram store the data tho?

For normal chats on server (cloud) encrypted and for secret chats only device

But just like any messenger out in world we have to trust their app/server/Deployed code

For normal chats on server (cloud) encrypted and for secret chats only device

But where is the server? It was to be in a Datacenter somewhere?

Even for signal

For normal chats on server (cloud) encrypted and for secret chats only device

"encrypted"

Oh boy, you don't know?

Oh boy, you don't know?

Nope

Nope

Encrypted as is just encrypted disk

I am not talking about group or channels but one on one chats

I am not talking about group or channels but one on one chats

Yes

Do you ever wonder how you can see those on other devices without entering password

Encrypted as is just encrypted disk

That's pretty useless in a sense of privacy imo

Threema provides good of both side but no users willing to pay for it expect Europeans

That's pretty useless in a sense of privacy imo

Yup that's why there are secret chats

Even signal is figuring out how to take encrypted backups ..

They provide plain text backup only

Threema provides good of both side but no users willing to pay for it expect Europeans

Apk isint open source

Apk isint open source

None of the messenger's .. Signal code is open source but are you sure they uploaded same APK from git code? That's where trust thing comes on

For that we need to compile own APK and use it but then what about person we are communicating with

None of the messenger's .. Signal code is open source but are you sure they uploaded same APK from git code? That's where trust thing comes on

You can build it yourself

Read above

For that we need to compile own APK and use it but then what about person we are communicating with

If he cares about privacy and encryption ofc he builds his own apks

Also their server code.. We need to trust providers

Also their server code.. We need to trust providers

Well app is 99x more important

Same goes for Bbm Line telegram etc

Well app is 99x more important

I would say server is more important

I would say server is more important

How come

You can see the encryption the app does

You can see how it contacts the server and what it sends

Etc

So best would be to have distributed nodes and each message being ciut in three parts with three keys and sent then combined on receiver's side

But this is yet not tested.. Signal trying to get something without mobile number that would be great

Well if you want most privacy and security it's your own XMPP server with pgp/otr

Well if you want most privacy and security it's your own XMPP server with pgp/otr

Yup even Matrix can work

Yup even Matrix can work

No

How would you trust that but not signal

How did BBM fail so hard

But this is yet not tested.. Signal trying to get something without mobile number that would be great

Yes

How did BBM fail so hard

Long story

How would you trust that but not signal

Hehe I never said I don't n trust signal.. I am promoting use of signal

Ask Abhishek ?

Even I contribute on their forum and github suggesstions. I was just making point for telegram

Anyway we should use each one which fits for its usage ..

For one on one most important things sharing I prefer signal.. For community building I prefer telegram