Welcome ?

Thank you ?

This group has become so big

I still remember when we were less than 35 people here ?

I still remember when we were less than 35 people here ?

The times, they are a changing ?

Nah, i want real packages ?

Yeah, me too.

And gnome 3.28's fractal matrix client is still only available as flatpak ;-;

Is there any benifit of using matrix?

Is there any benifit of using matrix?

it have very wide usage , vectors multiplication is one of them as far as ik

We have rust test day going on, if anyone wants to participate, can join us at #fedora-test-day or follow the wiki https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2018-04-04_Rust_Test_Day

We have rust test day going on, if anyone wants to participate, can join us at #fedora-test-day or follow the wiki https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2018-04-04_Rust_Test_Day

On my way

On my way

Awesome!

https://distrowatch.com/?newsid=10160

https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/6816

There is a planned outage

We have rust test day going on, if anyone wants to participate, can join us at #fedora-test-day or follow the wiki https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2018-04-04_Rust_Test_Day

Will do. ?

Neh. Computers took an awful lot of space, they were slow like snails, limited in capabilities and their screens were rather shitty and horrible for anyone's health. The only ones happy with the old computers were cats who could curl on the monitor to sleep. And I'm not sure that's an advantage.

To the cats, it was :P

I have to admit, the new reply button for messages on Telegram Desktop is nice

Oooh, I should try it!

I'll have new glasses in a couple of days, I already had the eye test.

Send pics of the new ones, please!

How can I update to Fedora 28 beta from f27?

Whaats the point of multiple iterations of that zeroization?

Oh almost forgot: even if you zero a hdd you can often reconstruct data from the bare platter from tiny magnetic field strength differences even if zeroed out. Add to that that modern controllers might write your data somewhere entirely else to save write cycles, especially on ssds and you'll find that the only real way to wipe data from drives is thermite and alot of drives in one container.

Or just always full disk encrypt.

How can I update to Fedora 28 beta from f27?

same way you would for 26-27 but you change the release server to 28

How can I update to Fedora 28 beta from f27?

It's a beta, so you may wanna think twice before using it on your daily driver.

Oh almost forgot: even if you zero a hdd you can often reconstruct data from the bare platter from tiny magnetic field strength differences even if zeroed out. Add to that that modern controllers might write your data somewhere entirely else to save write cycles, especially on ssds and you'll find that the only real way to wipe data from drives is thermite and alot of drives in one container.

So it's basically to remove hardware impact on data erasing. "Just to be sure"

So it's basically to remove hardware impact on data erasing. "Just to be sure"

Thermite? Yeah, its the currently best solution for permanent destruction.

Thermite? Yeah, its the currently best solution for permanent destruction.

wouldn't a nice fire be enough? the one that would melt platters :D

or a neodymium magnet when it coems to HDDs

How can I update to Fedora 28 beta from f27?

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DNF_system_upgrade ??

Or just always full disk encrypt.

I heard about cryptofs (or something like that). It might be a good solution to protect certain directories

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DNF_system_upgrade ??

Oh thnaks

especuially the "date modified" column looks nice here :D

My eyes bleeding..

especuially the "date modified" column looks nice here :D

Yes really. Why can't 'ls' be like that??

Yes really. Why can't 'ls' be like that??

because people like to actually see the information that it outputs :D

because people like to actually see the information that it outputs :D

True.

don't get me wrong, I also like colorful outputs on the terminal, but I think this one crossed the line between "useful" and "overkill" ;)

don't get me wrong, I also like colorful outputs on the terminal, but I think this one crossed the line between "useful" and "overkill" ;)

Which causes eye bleed?

don't get me wrong, I also like colorful outputs on the terminal, but I think this one crossed the line between "useful" and "overkill" ;)

Lol. I agree. That yellow color is not comfortable for reading. Also this is programmed in rust language.

Nice!

is there any shells that "remove layer" between local and remote directories so you can just "cd" to any directory on connected server from your machine?

Or it's just nfs auto mount thing on boot for example

is there any shells that "remove layer" between local and remote directories so you can just "cd" to any directory on connected server from your machine?

you can do the sshfs or something to mount these servers

no idea about the automount though

you can do the sshfs or something to mount these servers

Yeah, it's obvious to make a record in /etc/fstab or in /etc/profile (~/.bash_profile, etc)..

Or it's just nfs auto mount thing on boot for example

I do the nfs auto mount. That too on a local server. I have created a dir accessible through the file manager.

I thought about shell that do it on its own

To the cats, it was :P

My mother's cats stared at us offended when she bought a flat screen for her PC. They were like "How dare you?"

Send pics of the new ones, please!

Sure I will!

I thought about shell that do it on its own

It's not needed. I just add entries to /etc/fstab which gets mounted on boot.

It's not needed. I just add entries to /etc/fstab which gets mounted on boot.

Probably the best way

No, unless its enough to melt the entire thing anyway at which point its easier for the average person to get some thermite.

While your password may go into swap in clear text in worst case. Why go half the way when you can just LUKS your entire drive?

But it might be overkill for cases like keeping save certain files

But it might be overkill for cases like keeping save certain files

Not really.

While your password may go into swap in clear text in worst case. Why go half the way when you can just LUKS your entire drive?

Lol I'd like to see in person those who's software stores passwords in plain text

Lol I'd like to see in person those who's software stores passwords in plain text

NetworkManager stores WPS keys in plain text.

NetworkManager stores WPS keys in plain text.

I think wps technology doesn't deserve to exist. It's weak af

I think wps technology doesn't deserve to exist. It's weak af

I have no choice.

WEP is even worse.

Omg

oi wait.

I am stupid.

NetworkManager stores WPS keys in plain text.

Not WPS but WPA.

WPS is that vulnerable pin code thingie.

Yeah

Both are weak though

If you just FDE the entire thing from the start then there is nothing to be worried about from the start.

My mother's cats stared at us offended when she bought a flat screen for her PC. They were like "How dare you?"

???

Lol I'd like to see in person those who's software stores passwords in plain text

If your swap is not encrypted i have funny news for you.

If your swap is not encrypted i have funny news for you.

I have no swap XD

If your swap is not encrypted i have funny news for you.

I still haven't encrypted my laptop SSD...

My 8gb of ram give me some advantages

I still haven't encrypted my laptop SSD...

Isn't encryption rises i/o rate?

Isn't encryption rises i/o rate?

It should.

But I don't think it would be noticeable on x86 CPU.

It might be bad idea for SSD resource

It might be bad idea for SSD resource

whyyyyy

SSD is pretty similar to HDD for end user. Just faster and all around better.

Although moder SSD has millions (or even billions?) cycles

I'm just worrying about ssd health

Well according to S.M.A.R.T. my SSD has the worst erase count for a single block equal to 27.

I have been using it for 5 months and have already changed 3 operating systems.

Also health is reported at "100%".

Isn't encryption rises i/o rate?

Barely

It might be bad idea for SSD resource

Barely.

I'm just worrying about ssd health

Zero need to do so. Any non-chinese ssd will outlive its TBW factor by atleast double.

And 850pros, last time they were tested, did 2 petabytes written.

And they will announce if they are problematic long, looong before they die usually.

I'm on SSD since 2017 jan with multiple reinstallaions and it looks good

And 850pros, last time they were tested, did 2 petabytes written.

2 petabytes?? O_0

2 petabytes?? O_0

Oh sorry, 9,1 Petabytes written.

And 850pros, last time they were tested, did 2 petabytes written.

Samsung?